For Questions Regarding WOFs/CERTs/NUMBER PLATEs

[Bearded Baldy]

On 30/09/2024 at 09:04, Rhyscar said:

 

I've got two questions I haven't been able to answer through google;

- Are there any LVVTA rules around trailer repairs such as this? Doubler plate sizes, connection detail to c-channel, welder qualifications etc? 

- Where do I find the requirements for tow coupling mounting? 

 

Appreciate the help!

 

For trailer builds i tell people eye appeal is half the battle in regards to wof. If the welds look good and the steel isn't tinfoil then that is 99% of it.

As said above, your design work already beats most of the glorified wheelbarrow builders out there.

For the coupling i picked up a great way of doing it from one of the local engineering shops. Their gear gets abused by farmhands etc so needs to be built tough. 

Use a section of i-beam with the base ground off. So simple it amazes me it isn't 'the way'.

Pic to follow.

[Bearded Baldy]

[shizzl]

Need a bit of clarification on this.

 

restudding rear axles from 6 to 5. 
typical he said she said monkey do.

can axle flanges have the holes welded up and redrilled at all?

 

[RUNAMUCK]

I've seen it done to change the pcd from early to late valiant. 

Is it legal?

The owner doesn't care.

[ajg193]

Apparently the new black/silver plates have been discontinued, last day to order them is 31st Oct. They will all be black/white

Post from reddit:

"

NZ Transport Agency Waka Kotahi (NZTA) have made the decision that black numberplates with silver text will no longer be available, due to a readability issue.

The last day to order a black numberplate with silver text will be 31 October 2024. To ensure that you can have your plate(s) made with silver text, you will need to request manufacture with Licensys (the government plate manufacturer) no later than 30 November 2024.

What happens if you don't request manufacture by 30 November 2024?

If you do not request manufacture before this date, then you will still be able to have your plate(s) manufactured in the same design, however, instead of silver text the plate(s) will come with white text.

We wanted to let you know of this important change and provide you with the opportunity to have your plate(s) made as you have ordered.

It is important to note that while no new plates with silver text will be issued, NZTA have no plans to recall existing black plates with silver text; any plates that are already registered on a vehicle will still be legal to use in New Zealand. Black plates with white text will continue to be available for customers to purchase through KiwiPlates."

 

[gibbon]

is it legal to machine the mounting face of a wheel? My new wheels stick out a fraction too much, I'd love to take a few mm off them

[cletus]

According to the rules it should be done by a wheel specialist 

 

If you were to be an outlaw and do it yourself then you would want to be very careful about how much you remove - especially if the wheel is a cheaper brand 

[gibbon]

there's a higher offset version of the same wheel, it'd be interesting to compare and see if the boss has just been built up more

[gibbon]

@cletus while I have you on the line, 

I need to get the car re-certed anyway due to removing the race seat so I don't mind the fact that I've got to get it ticked off, but my car currently has aftermarket guards which the wheels protrude from (around 1/4" at the 12 o clock position) which I think falls into the "requires certification" category - but what criteria will the cert guy actually look for with widened track and wheel protusion? I'd like to tidy anything up that I can before he sees it, to save a second trip etc

On that note, whereabouts is wheel protrusion measured? as mentioned my wheels stick out 1/4" at the 12 o clock position, but as you move around to 3 / 9 that grows to around 3/4"

[Crispy]

Sorry another question around seatbelts…..

I’m toying with the idea of getting my Mini Moke back on the road. It’s de reg so will have to go through compliance and repair cert for the rust etc.

Thats all good. But my problem (one of them) is around seatbelts. 
I had a quick google and found this article.

 
https://www.lvvta.org.nz/media-items/2020-09_Radiator_Magazine_Seatbelts_in_Old_Vehicles.pdf 

Unless I’ve missed something. The way I read that article is if your car is manufactured before 1955 you don’t have to have seatbelts. After 1955 you do… Mines a 1968.

However I did find this exemption which I think I will fall into since I don’t have a B pillar 

“Exception 3: Vehicles without a structure to fit required seatbelts may have lap or static belts fitted
There are exceptions for convertible vehicles where there is no structure to attach an upper anchorage to. The VIRM also states that a pre-November 1979 class MA or MC vehicle that does not have B-pillars may be fitted with lap belts if the inspector has determined that it is not practicable to retrofit upper anchorages for static lap-and-diagonal seatbelts”

Any clarification would be great. I guess it depends on the certifier at the end of the day. 

Now I’m planning on installing a roll bar and having it built to msnz spec (correct tube etc). I could always get some seatbelt brackets off that? For diagonal belts But I’m not sure if that’s manz legal. I’ll check with one of the scrutineers in my club. 
 

Bit of a conundrum….

 

[Bling]

I remember seeing a kit you could buy (saw it via LVVTA) that bolted to floor and gave you diagonal support. I'd look into that sort of thing before settling for lap belts which are shit. Could be worth a look anyway if you want the safest option.

[cletus]

On 25/10/2024 at 21:09, Crispy said:

Sorry another question around seatbelts…..

I’m toying with the idea of getting my Mini Moke back on the road. It’s de reg so will have to go through compliance and repair cert for the rust etc.

Thats all good. But my problem (one of them) is around seatbelts. 
I had a quick google and found this article.

 
https://www.lvvta.org.nz/media-items/2020-09_Radiator_Magazine_Seatbelts_in_Old_Vehicles.pdf 

Unless I’ve missed something. The way I read that article is if your car is manufactured before 1955 you don’t have to have seatbelts. After 1955 you do… Mines a 1968.

However I did find this exemption which I think I will fall into since I don’t have a B pillar 

“Exception 3: Vehicles without a structure to fit required seatbelts may have lap or static belts fitted
There are exceptions for convertible vehicles where there is no structure to attach an upper anchorage to. The VIRM also states that a pre-November 1979 class MA or MC vehicle that does not have B-pillars may be fitted with lap belts if the inspector has determined that it is not practicable to retrofit upper anchorages for static lap-and-diagonal seatbelts”

Any clarification would be great. I guess it depends on the certifier at the end of the day. 

Now I’m planning on installing a roll bar and having it built to msnz spec (correct tube etc). I could always get some seatbelt brackets off that? For diagonal belts But I’m not sure if that’s manz legal. I’ll check with one of the scrutineers in my club. 
 

Bit of a conundrum….

 

If it had no cage you would meet the requirements for lap belt only, as there is no suitable structure to mount it to

If you're going to have a cage then you will have a suitable structure, so will need lap diagonal belts (definitely a good idea)

[cletus]

On 24/10/2024 at 10:45, gibbon said:

@cletus while I have you on the line, 

I need to get the car re-certed anyway due to removing the race seat so I don't mind the fact that I've got to get it ticked off, but my car currently has aftermarket guards which the wheels protrude from (around 1/4" at the 12 o clock position) which I think falls into the "requires certification" category - but what criteria will the cert guy actually look for with widened track and wheel protusion? I'd like to tidy anything up that I can before he sees it, to save a second trip etc

On that note, whereabouts is wheel protrusion measured? as mentioned my wheels stick out 1/4" at the 12 o clock position, but as you move around to 3 / 9 that grows to around 3/4"

Wheels can poke out, tyre tread has to be covered to at least the height of the hub center 

It's kind of a grey area, and one thing that grinds my gears somewhat 

If you read the wof virm, everything requires this

But a vast percentage of even standard vehicles don't comply with the wof virm to some extent 

 

[cletus]

[cletus]

It's not clear, because the words are different to what the drawing shows- ie the words say it just has to cover the top of the tread , but the diagram suggests full width to level with the center of the hub  

[shizzl]

Bit of an electrical controls question.

 

can lights and indicators etc be operated from a switch panel set up on a normal road car?

I know rally cars have gang panels for everything. But how does it play out for a road car?

 

[tortron]

32 minutes ago, shizzl said:

Bit of an electrical controls question.

 

can lights and indicators etc be operated from a switch panel set up on a normal road car?

I know rally cars have gang panels for everything. But how does it play out for a road car?

 

Many classic cars have this set up.  Knows and switches on the dash.

I have the indicators, headlight on/off, and wiper switch on the dash area to the left of the wheel in my l200

The only requirements are That they are accessible and not a interior hazard

[RXFORD]

3 hours ago, shizzl said:

Bit of an electrical controls question.

 

can lights and indicators etc be operated from a switch panel set up on a normal road car?

I know rally cars have gang panels for everything. But how does it play out for a road car?

 

Yes, but the CCM says that Rotarys are only allowed to use missile switches for everything and the switch panel has to be covered in camo material.

[shizzl]

Hey, is that a challenge?

I’ve never been a fan of missile switches on road cars unless equipped with actual missiles

[cletus]

17 minutes ago, RXFORD said:

Yes, but the CCM says that Rotarys are only allowed to use missile switches for everything and the switch panel has to be covered in camo 

 CCM has recently been updated to allow polished checker plate