Brock-Lee Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 if you dont run coil per cyl your getting a wedgie But I dont want to. What is a wasted spark multicoil setup going to do that a Dizzy wont. Unless the dizzy wont work then fuck you and yo momma too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrstar Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I have been conned into helping a workmate EFI his Vmax yamaha motorbike thingee, he is hellbent on chopping carbs to bits to install injectors where the carb needles would normally sit (this is what the internet has told him to do along with little deflector plates to help the fuel turn 90 degrees, this will result in very long / ugly fuel plumbing and add to the overall width of the engine which is not a good thing... I am suggesting a setup which involves positioning the injectors inside the airbox standoff styles, similar to the below link but with a longer runner (and the gutted carbs to still be the throttle butterfly) so probably 100mm ish from the injector tip to the butterfly. Question: Will there be any low flow / idle advantages / disadvantages with the stand-off setup or any other possible issues setting up the injectors in this manner. (Would like to avoid a yamaha bbq here if I can) Also can I use a microsquirt to control a fan? I had a very quick look and it didn't seem to have a suitable output. link to pic since i can seem to imbed image http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?171789-Shower-injectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 But I dont want to. What is a wasted spark multicoil setup going to do that a Dizzy wont. Unless the dizzy wont work then fuck you and yo momma too Dizzi will work sweet. Just use ecu to run igniter to charge/fire coil. I use this set up on my escort. Only 4 teeth inside the dizzi for a pickup. ( or 2 teeth on crank will work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 And save yourself a mental breakdown and use a link g4+ atom for fucks sakes 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Nah. Ditch the shitty fucking dizzee with its loose bearings, things that need oiling, ugly as fuck crack prone cap and run wasted spark on a mitsi gt slow or similar coil from wreckers. And go ms. It's great and it's cheap and you're a bike mechanic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 There was a 3kr for sale a little while ago... SOOOO keen! But don't have 70k to spend on a motor that hasn't run is 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I have been conned into helping a workmate EFI his Vmax yamaha motorbike thingee, he is hellbent on chopping carbs to bits to install injectors where the carb needles would normally sit (this is what the internet has told him to do along with little deflector plates to help the fuel turn 90 degrees, this will result in very long / ugly fuel plumbing and add to the overall width of the engine which is not a good thing... I am suggesting a setup which involves positioning the injectors inside the airbox standoff styles, similar to the below link but with a longer runner (and the gutted carbs to still be the throttle butterfly) so probably 100mm ish from the injector tip to the butterfly. Question: Will there be any low flow / idle advantages / disadvantages with the stand-off setup or any other possible issues setting up the injectors in this manner. (Would like to avoid a yamaha bbq here if I can) Also can I use a microsquirt to control a fan? I had a very quick look and it didn't seem to have a suitable output. link to pic since i can seem to imbed image http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?171789-Shower-injectors ideally you want an ecu that can run sequential injection, and adjustable injector timing. so you don't end up with fuel stand off issues (fires) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrstar Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Yeah a g4 atom would have been ideal, but he has this microsquirt, so will be stuck with paired injectors. I guess fires are less likely with injectors closer to the throttle body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Yea fuel standoff can be a bitch it seems, you end up injecting into the reversion pulses and getting a fog going on in the airbox. The guy on here with the beams gets fog with his sweet setup and they are in the tip of the trumpet. With good injector timing and fancy injectors race cars make it work all the time. Takes a decent setup and dyno time to fail it in sweet. Most DIY chaps will run a set of inboard injectors to get idle sweet and dial back some fuel to the inboards when it fogs. I scored some honda injectors from some CBR that has factory outboards. Was for a project I never finished but they are badass little injectors that would be sweet for outboards on a small engine, cheap as off eBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 anyone know where I can get one of these in nz? I got one for coolant but need another for air intake temp, or are there other better suited sensors? http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/gm-closed-element-clt-iat-sensor-with-connector-p-115.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Holden V6 commies. Easy to get as common as. They are open element so react quicker? Anyway- located in the airbox. Easy to fit and come with decent plug you can grab while raiding car. Its a neat push in sensor so you just need a 1/2 hole. See page 4 ? of viva thread for photo of sensor Values I got when I tested them are; 8700 @ 6 degrees 3200 @21 degrees 200 @ 100 degrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 FC and FD RX7s have one something like the one in your link, I used one in my old Subaru. Pretty sure it was under $30 for a new one from Repco. /Alex is onto it with the Commy ones though, I would have run one myself if I didn't have it under boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 ok sweet i'll have a look for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Turbo or non turbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 non turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 ideally I would get a smaller one than what I have shown to use for water temp as the place where I want to fit it into the head is quite small, and then use the one above for air temp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The one in that link react really slow. But for non turbo that's not a problem. Link sell the good ones http://www.sprparts.co.nz/link-ecu/link-sensors/link-air-temp-sensor-1179394477.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 cheers, I have bought the water temp sensor as it is M12 and I will try using the other 3/8 npt sensor for air temp, as you say doesnt matter so much that it reacts slower so should be OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downtrail Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Nzefi will do you a small iat sensor 1/8 npt threaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoeddynz Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Acceleration enrichment..... tips and advice please. I have my ve table etc pretty good and under normal driving it's fine. But at idle if I stab the throttle or while driving try to floor it then flat spot. I can drive around it by just being smoother as can hannah or anyone else used to the car and it's quite quick throttle action (short throw) but anyone not used to it can stall it when pulling away. Especially those used to carbs and they try giving the throttle some little blips as they let up the clutch. Those who drove it in hanmer will now what I mean. So I need to activate my carb acceleration pump so to say. I only need a little extra so will start as such. Found this good intro on tuning it but looking for any extra tips or advice from those that are well versed in MS tuning. http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_articles/megasquirt_acceleration_enrichment_tuning.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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