JoKer Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Hi Clint, I've acquired a new project, its a 36 stewart pick up colonial cab. old guy died and the son gave it to me for free. My question is; How\can I put it back on the rd without too much hassle? It has old black plates on it (ER7165) , nz rego stickers from the early 80's and two original body\build tags on it. My father in law has 3 of them, reckons they came with all sorts of different engines, whatever was available at the time etc. He says I should restore it , put a flathead v8 in it with a toyota box, and that it won't need a cert, is he correct? we think it is set up for a flathead v8. only part that would differ is the gearbox crossmember. (I'm a ticketed welder) heres a link to some photos if it helps, //oldschool.co.nz/index.php?/topic/53537-maxpower-1936-stewart-beater-pick-up/ P.s not wanting an expensive flashy hot rod just a cool old pickup Thanks in advance only if it has a declaration for said motor & gearbox I would think otherwise they would be expecting a 1936 motor & box to re-vin it (I could be well wrong But will be corrected in due course anyway) could try LTNZ & see if they have anything on file for it? Declarations are a godsend (or wait for proper advice you might not want to arouse the suspicions if you don't need too etc) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxPower Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 not sure it would need a declaration for the motor if that is what it is set up for, as they came out with a variety of engines?.. cheers though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 You will need a cert/declaration for the gearbox swap alone so you may as well cert the whole vehicle once you have done all the modifications.I am highly doubtful that the original driveshaft (it's probably a torque tube) will slot into the back of a Japanese gearbox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxPower Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 You will need a cert/declaration for the gearbox swap alone so you may as well cert the whole vehicle once you have done all the modifications. I am highly doubtful that the original driveshaft (it's probably a torque tube) will slot into the back of a Japanese gearbox. no torque tube in this pickup, in that case I would look at running an old crash box of similar vintage. main aim of this is getting it on the rd and not just another project in the shed. cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 you are going to need some information about what was originally in it to fly through the revin. unfortunately that doesnt probably exist anymore (like an order form from when it was first made sort of thing) you dont need to have it original for a revin however. so just do what you want as per the cert process 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxPower Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 sorry if being a bit vague but not up with the play on putting an old car back on the rd. I'm happy to get a cert, but I thought if you had done a few things then it would be considered a new build etc, my biggest worry is that I don't have enough info to put it back on the rd. I can't get an ownership paper because the guys dead, I can probably get a statement from the geezers son saying it was his dads etc if it would help. cheers for the help guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 go to police station with the data you have and get a paper saying its of no interest a note from the son stating that it was part of an estate and given to you may be nice to have also iv done it before, but it may have changed since then 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostchips Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 sorry if being a bit vague but not up with the play on putting an old car back on the rd. I'm happy to get a cert, but I thought if you had done a few things then it would be considered a new build etc, my biggest worry is that I don't have enough info to put it back on the rd. I can't get an ownership paper because the guys dead, I can probably get a statement from the geezers son saying it was his dads etc if it would help. cheers for the help guys. Don't change any axles and don't Z/notch the frame and it shouldn't be classed as a new build. go to police station with the data you have and get a paper saying its of no interest a note from the son stating that it was part of an estate and given to you may be nice to have also iv done it before, but it may have changed since then This is fairly correct and good advise. Get the note from the son asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxPower Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Don't change any axles and don't Z/notch the frame and it shouldn't be classed as a new build. This is fairly correct and good advise. Get the note from the son asap cool, contacted the son and he is going to write a note with the chassis number etc, happy to keep original axles\diff, c notch after wof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOHC Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 sorry if being a bit vague but not up with the play on putting an old car back on the rd. I'm happy to get a cert, but I thought if you had done a few things then it would be considered a new build etc, my biggest worry is that I don't have enough info to put it back on the rd. I can't get an ownership paper because the guys dead, I can probably get a statement from the geezers son saying it was his dads etc if it would help. cheers for the help guys. You could ask the vintage car club to write you a letter with there letter head saying the truck is what it is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 there will be a way to get it back on the road. If you are not worried about cert then it doesnt really matter what you put in it- and you can do quite a bit before it becomes scatch-built. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 http://lvvta.org.nz/documents/infosheets/LVVTA_Info_02-2013_New_SB_&_Mod_Prod_LVV_definitions.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxPower Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 http://lvvta.org.nz/documents/infosheets/LVVTA_Info_02-2013_New_SB_&_Mod_Prod_LVV_definitions.pdf cheers, this sounds positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae85 fiend Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I've had a quick search through this thread. Whats teh go with 'bolt on flares' Do you only need a cert if you have to cut the original inner guards? Do you have to have the newly cut inner/ outter guards welded together? - does this have to be done by a certified welder/ panel shop? would you have to fill in the gap between the flare and the original body line with something? After you cut the guards - how does this affect the cert process? I'm trying to run 9" wid=e wheels on a aa60 carina on the back. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOHC Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 What is the deal with declarations?, I was looking at a fiberglass 1932 Ford witch was built in the 80s, has lapsed rego but has a declaration, dose that help in re registration cert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muncie Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Paper cert dies with the plates was what i found with my triumph ute. It all got very expensive to re-register a fine piece of 1980's brazing and bog sculpture work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 yes it will need to be re certed, however there are a lot of things it wont have to comply with if it was built prior to 92 and has declaration to prove it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I've had a quick search through this thread. Whats teh go with 'bolt on flares' Do you only need a cert if you have to cut the original inner guards? Do you have to have the newly cut inner/ outter guards welded together? - does this have to be done by a certified welder/ panel shop? would you have to fill in the gap between the flare and the original body line with something? After you cut the guards - how does this affect the cert process? I'm trying to run 9" wid=e wheels on a aa60 carina on the back. Cheers if you fit flares, without cutting, then it wont need a cert. BUT if you fit wheels that fill them out, that would more than likely require cert as the track width would have increased by more than 25mm. For it to all work properly you will need to cut the guard up high enough, for the suspension to hit the bump stops, with the tyre still having clearance. The 2 bits need to be welded back together, a 10mm stitch every 50mm would be enough, you dont have to fully weld it, welding just has to be done by a competent welder, doesnt have to be done by a ticketed welder. another thing to consider is if you are running small diameter (14 or 15'')x 9s, its quite hard to get a legal size tyre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingbrick Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Guy at work is telling me composite bonnets and guards etc can no longer be certified. True or false? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Guy at work is telling me composite bonnets and guards etc can no longer be certified. True or false? That would be very backwards considering the move by manufacturers toward composite panels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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