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In theory, yes. I can't think of anything like minimum dimensions or things like that that would prevent you from being able to do it

 

However there's probably a lot of things that may trip you up, and make it a lot more challenging to build than a "normal" size car

You would want to do a concept approval first before you start to make sure there are no legal issues with building something that small

 I doubt a Chinese made quad bike frame would get through cert, so you'd probably have to start from scratch there

Because it would be registered as a new car, it would need things like a lap diagonal seatbelt, so it would need a suitable structure to mount it off, then you need to allow for interior impact zones, so that might dictate how small it can be internally

tyres would need to be suitable for road/ car use and load rating, so you might be limited to what is available like 10" mini tyres? 

 

This is by no means a complete list of potential issues, just things that come to mind off the top of my head 

 

And at the end of it, it would still cost a similar amount to cert it as any other scratch built vehicle so there's a fairly high 'entry cost' despite the rest of the car being cheap to build  

 

 

 

There was a guy who tried for ages to get a quad bike legal that had been built from a wrx. From memory, the biggest stumbling block was , 4 wheels= ma class, car.

 

So has to have a round steering wheel, and lap diagonal belts. Both of which change the whole look and design of the vehicle  

 

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49 minutes ago, datlow said:

Are you trying to wind him up?

Question for fred

dereg car with cert, still the full cert process to get it back on the road?

 if the cert matches then it should be OK

 

I have had to get reprints of cert tags when a dereg car gets re reg and ends up with a new 17 digit vin number instead of a chassis number though 

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Change of ownership. Does anyone know what happens with the info the seller submits? I've bought a car for a family member and silly me gave the seller my details so they submitted that info. If I now submit the buyers side and use my family members info, will that end the world?

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4 hours ago, Beaver said:

Change of ownership. Does anyone know what happens with the info the seller submits? I've bought a car for a family member and silly me gave the seller my details so they submitted that info. If I now submit the buyers side and use my family members info, will that end the world?

I do it all online now, easy as (and force buyers to do it on their phone before taking the car). Technically the seller doesn't need to do anything on their end for it to still go through, as long as the buyer does their part.

The information the seller provided about you doesnt change the ownership into your name (just kinda goes into limbo), thats what the buyers part is for, so you will be all gee.

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11 hours ago, kws said:

Technically the seller doesn't need to do anything on their end for it to still go through, as long as the buyer does their part.

This is exactly what happened with my son's car. No documentation at all their end. They just gave us the key. We took the car and did the change on line when we got home.

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On 16/11/2021 at 15:23, dmulally said:

I have had my chev V8 rebuilt and it smokes a little on startup. Stinks of burnt oil and is blueish. A quick rev and it goes away so my guess is that one of the rings might be shot seeing as I had all new valve stem seals put in. Haven't compression tested it yet however. 

Does anybody know what is needed for a wof in regards to smoke? I have just moved to a new area so haven't figured out who are the better ones with old cars yet. 

Big fat fail sadly. The big cloud upon start up was enough to ping it even though it does go away eventually. 

Not to mention the 50 other things that LVV and VTNZ passed that he has decided they shouldn't have. Looks like the eternal project remains what it is. Why oh why did I have to move when I already had a great wof guy...:joker:

I really need a less stressful hobby than old cars. 

 

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On 21/11/2021 at 19:39, yoeddynz said:

@cletus

What are the chances that one could build something like this and make it road legal in NZ....

If the builder were to do all the obvious cert things like the suspension arms are crack tested, bump steer is dialled out etc etc

I love it, I could see the LVVTA having a  prophylactic fit if you attempted the same in over regulated NZ. Long live automotive anarchy! 

 

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7 hours ago, dmulally said:

Big fat fail sadly. The big cloud upon start up was enough to ping it even though it does go away eventually. 

Not to mention the 50 other things that LVV and VTNZ passed that he has decided they shouldn't have. Looks like the eternal project remains what it is. Why oh why did I have to move when I already had a great wof guy...:joker:

I really need a less stressful hobby than old cars. 

 

What sort of things do you think you have been unfairly failed on?

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11 hours ago, Bling said:

What sort of things do you think you have been unfairly failed on?

Nothing really. All were good points and tbh I knew that it would get pinged on the smoke and it isn't as if smokey engines fix themselves. Old mate who did it was really helpful and he wasn't being a dick at all. Can't say the same for VTNZ. 

It's just that Certifier/LVV have a long list. VTNZ had a long list. Now when I think I'm finally done and dusted, I have yet another long list. 

Each list take around 12 months to complete and cost between 10-20k. I might just sell it as a project and put it down to tuition fees. 

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So long as it hasn't been de-reg, and still matches the declaration I think it's OK.

"Do I need LVV Certification if I have a Modification Declaration Certificate?
Cars that were modified prior to 1 January 1992 were issued with a Modification Declaration Certificate at that time. The Modification Declaration Certificate is valid as long as the vehicle is continually registered and until changes are made to the vehicle, at which time the vehicle must be LVV certified and issued with an LVV plate. Provided the vehicle is still the same as it was in 1992, the Modification Declaration Certificate continues to be valid today for WOF purposes. The WOF issuer is able to check with LVVTA or NZTA to verify details on the certificate."

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5 hours ago, tortron said:

Body: modified

Suspension:modified

Brakes: disk front

Engine: holden 6 cylinder

 

Checks out lol

Yes I've had considerable experience with the "angry little certification men" over the years with race car builds. :joker:

If this was a Cert build as opposed to the restoration of a still registered pre 92 exemption car it would be far more structured (and the build thread would be a lot less fun to read!).

I do however have my local WOF guy watching every step of the restoration process; as well as his business being (IMOP) the best automotive shop on the shore - he also specialises in compliance for imported classic cars. He's vowed to show no mercy if I stray from the restoration process. :unsure:

All parties so far involved are of the opinion that my dear old Rigamortice will live again, resplendent with both registration and WOF.

Not wishing to get political but I suspect it is simply a matter of time before NZ is aligned with Australian VSCCS Compliance Certificates, as we have with electrical compliance, H&S, Fire Regulations, etc., etc. Having a privately owned business writing and certifying it's own legally binding rules and regulations is not only unprecedented in NZ, consensus of opinion in the industry is that it is unsustainable. 

 

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