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11 hours ago, kws said:

Technically the seller doesn't need to do anything on their end for it to still go through, as long as the buyer does their part.

This is exactly what happened with my son's car. No documentation at all their end. They just gave us the key. We took the car and did the change on line when we got home.

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On 16/11/2021 at 15:23, dmulally said:

I have had my chev V8 rebuilt and it smokes a little on startup. Stinks of burnt oil and is blueish. A quick rev and it goes away so my guess is that one of the rings might be shot seeing as I had all new valve stem seals put in. Haven't compression tested it yet however. 

Does anybody know what is needed for a wof in regards to smoke? I have just moved to a new area so haven't figured out who are the better ones with old cars yet. 

Big fat fail sadly. The big cloud upon start up was enough to ping it even though it does go away eventually. 

Not to mention the 50 other things that LVV and VTNZ passed that he has decided they shouldn't have. Looks like the eternal project remains what it is. Why oh why did I have to move when I already had a great wof guy...:joker:

I really need a less stressful hobby than old cars. 

 

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On 21/11/2021 at 19:39, yoeddynz said:

@cletus

What are the chances that one could build something like this and make it road legal in NZ....

If the builder were to do all the obvious cert things like the suspension arms are crack tested, bump steer is dialled out etc etc

I love it, I could see the LVVTA having a  prophylactic fit if you attempted the same in over regulated NZ. Long live automotive anarchy! 

 

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7 hours ago, dmulally said:

Big fat fail sadly. The big cloud upon start up was enough to ping it even though it does go away eventually. 

Not to mention the 50 other things that LVV and VTNZ passed that he has decided they shouldn't have. Looks like the eternal project remains what it is. Why oh why did I have to move when I already had a great wof guy...:joker:

I really need a less stressful hobby than old cars. 

 

What sort of things do you think you have been unfairly failed on?

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11 hours ago, Bling said:

What sort of things do you think you have been unfairly failed on?

Nothing really. All were good points and tbh I knew that it would get pinged on the smoke and it isn't as if smokey engines fix themselves. Old mate who did it was really helpful and he wasn't being a dick at all. Can't say the same for VTNZ. 

It's just that Certifier/LVV have a long list. VTNZ had a long list. Now when I think I'm finally done and dusted, I have yet another long list. 

Each list take around 12 months to complete and cost between 10-20k. I might just sell it as a project and put it down to tuition fees. 

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So long as it hasn't been de-reg, and still matches the declaration I think it's OK.

"Do I need LVV Certification if I have a Modification Declaration Certificate?
Cars that were modified prior to 1 January 1992 were issued with a Modification Declaration Certificate at that time. The Modification Declaration Certificate is valid as long as the vehicle is continually registered and until changes are made to the vehicle, at which time the vehicle must be LVV certified and issued with an LVV plate. Provided the vehicle is still the same as it was in 1992, the Modification Declaration Certificate continues to be valid today for WOF purposes. The WOF issuer is able to check with LVVTA or NZTA to verify details on the certificate."

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5 hours ago, tortron said:

Body: modified

Suspension:modified

Brakes: disk front

Engine: holden 6 cylinder

 

Checks out lol

Yes I've had considerable experience with the "angry little certification men" over the years with race car builds. :joker:

If this was a Cert build as opposed to the restoration of a still registered pre 92 exemption car it would be far more structured (and the build thread would be a lot less fun to read!).

I do however have my local WOF guy watching every step of the restoration process; as well as his business being (IMOP) the best automotive shop on the shore - he also specialises in compliance for imported classic cars. He's vowed to show no mercy if I stray from the restoration process. :unsure:

All parties so far involved are of the opinion that my dear old Rigamortice will live again, resplendent with both registration and WOF.

Not wishing to get political but I suspect it is simply a matter of time before NZ is aligned with Australian VSCCS Compliance Certificates, as we have with electrical compliance, H&S, Fire Regulations, etc., etc. Having a privately owned business writing and certifying it's own legally binding rules and regulations is not only unprecedented in NZ, consensus of opinion in the industry is that it is unsustainable. 

 

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Yes word had it they presented a very convincing pitch and  appear to have been the obvious choice to  manage the repair certificate process. Full credit to them, (although I've yet to hear the MTA or the CRA's position on this).

I've had no issue with the cert guys I've dealt with, most were car mad good guys like the rest of us.

What does concern me is having a privately owned company not only implementing the certification process but writing the rules and regulations we are legally obliged to adhere to. It's both unprecedented and unchartered territory, I can think of no other privately owned regulatory body in NZ that has this level of autonomy.

 

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Definitely better to be run separate from the govt. Nzta should really have even less influence TBH. Would be great if there was competition* in the field too. But we can't beg for too much.

 

*Competition ideally results in better quality, innovation and prices

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23 hours ago, igor said:

Can you get away with still running an old style declaration if you've since fully rebuilt the car?

Yes , if you restore the vehicle and it matches the declaration.

 

But taking another complete registered vehicle, doing similar mods to it and swapping ID tags and plates off a car with a declaration?

 

It would be interesting to see what the correct answer is, as you can legally replace the chassis on a ute for example, if the chassis is beyond repair. 

which then ends up with mismatched  numbers, but that can be legitimate if NZTA is notified and it's recorded on landata as having a replacement chassis 

 

 

I doubt changing the body and chassis and redoing all the mods that were done prior to 92 in 2021, would be classed as "restoring" the original car  

 

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1 hour ago, sr2 said:

Yes word had it they presented a very convincing pitch and  appear to have been the obvious choice to  manage the repair certificate process. Full credit to them, (although I've yet to hear the MTA or the CRA's position on this).

I've had no issue with the cert guys I've dealt with, most were car mad good guys like the rest of us.

What does concern me is having a privately owned company not only implementing the certification process but writing the rules and regulations we are legally obliged to adhere to. It's both unprecedented and unchartered territory, I can think of no other privately owned regulatory body in NZ that has this level of autonomy.

 

It's an incorporate society, not a private company.

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