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Do you have big knights of the round table discussions with a team on the unusual stuff ? Where you all get together and see where everyone's heads at... how to proceed. Ect.  

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Yes there is the technical advisory committee that meets once a month to look at design approvals, people wanting do do different stuff that isn't covered by the rules or is outside of what the rules say, things like that  

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7 hours ago, cletus said:

Yes, there are 

Lvv standards

The car construction manual

Info sheets

Certifier email updates

Newsletters

Usually training twice a year 

NZTA sends a reviewer every two years to be present while a vehicle is certified, and the certifier has to show all their paperwork and recording systems to prove they are doing things properly 

Random jobs are desktop audited when they go through LVVTA for processing as well. 

 

So the shit/not shit assessment is like that adjustable spanner in your toolbox, you dont use it often because there are better tools available most of the time

 

 

As for coverage, we have to have insurance policies for public liability and professional indemnity as part of our operating requirements 

Good to hear re the public liability insurance, it's becoming a minefield out there.

The other one that's out there to trip you up is Worksafe who have been getting very aggressive  - to say the least!  (I've been working in the industry of late).

I wouldn't be surprised if Worksafe classified you guys as PCBU's (I'm presuming you're not employees?),could be worthwhile checking what policy's re duty of care need to be in place. 

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My old boss was doing a cert on some vehicle a number of years back, and during the brake test one of the calipers departed company. He saved it, barely, but what's the go if the car did fly off the road and fuck up the certifier?

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2 hours ago, Yowzer said:

My old boss was doing a cert on some vehicle a number of years back, and during the brake test one of the calipers departed company. He saved it, barely, but what's the go if the car did fly off the road and fuck up the certifier?

I dunno, I guess if the certifier missed something and there was an accident due to that then they would be held responsible as well as being injured

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2 hours ago, 87creepin said:

So Maxspeedingrods are a hard no? Lol

 I wouldn't cert them. Other certifiers might, I dont know.  

What sort of car have you got? 

A set of aliexpress shocks seems to average $700 by the time they are here

A set of BC retails on average $1700 , but I have heard of them being a bit cheaper 

A cert is going to cost around $650 regardless of what brand 

 

So you might save a grand if you can find someone to certify them, but you are likely going to need another set when they spring a leak in 6 months time, or the lower bushes give out, or the piston falls off the end of the shaft or the car handles like shit or whatever.  Then if you get sick of buying replacement maxspeedingrods and put some BC's in it then you have to pay for another cert because they wont match the photos on the cert 

 

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1 hour ago, cletus said:

I dunno, I guess if the certifier missed something and there was an accident due to that then they would be held responsible as well as being injured

I don't know what part actually failed but apparently there was no visible fault prior to the road test

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That reminds me of the time I was doing a WOF on a Land Rover. Did a 30kph hard brake test, pedal went to the floor and Landy kept rolling, handbrake stopped it eventually. A hard brake line burst open length ways.

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1 hour ago, 87creepin said:

@cletus something that has no business being certed, a 4afe ae101 haha. I'm just working out costs of lowering my daily.

https://www.vogtland.com/en/sport-lowering-springs-toyota-corolla-type-e10-e11-e11-u-up-to-85-kw-1820

Running these in my AE112R with KYBs. A ton better than shitty jamex and well priced, even with shipping. They were cheaper than a set of Kings. I got mine on special for about 155 euro shipped.

its settled a little since this photo, but its a good height. -35mm all around.

IMG_20210202_175430.jpg

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@kws I'm guessing theyd work with non superstrut fine? I'm considering KYB AGX front excel g rear and whatever decent spring I can find. Yahoo japan has RS*R but I'll have to find a corolla wag or ceres Marino at pick a part to just make sure they are non-ss. Pretty sure they ain't, just better to be safe than sorry.

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On 30/03/2021 at 20:45, cletus said:

put some BC's in it then you have to pay for another cert because they wont match the photos on the cert

This seems to be an interesting byproduct of the new tags over plates.

Say you went through cert to with quality coilovers that have nobody in NZ willing to rebuild them.  5-10 years down the line of daily driving on our shit chipseal roads and they're due for a rebuild. Unaffordable to send offshore for a rebuild, and say the product line was discontinued.

You now can't just get another set of BCs for example, as you'll fail the next wof if they go by the book?

I get that it has probably always been the case, but without any more detail on a plate than "Adj Suspn" its never been an issue.

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Yeah the biggest issue /most asked question I get is wheels- if a car is certed on 15x8 wheels then under the old plate deal it was a free for all as long as the wheels were 15x8 then you were sweet 

Now there will be pics of the wheels on the cert, I've had dozens of people having a moan that they wont be able to swap wheels. 

 

I dont think the intention with the old plate system was to allow any wheel of that size to be ok but it has become that way, I rang LVVTA and asked what the deal was with different wheels of the same size on the new tag system and the answer was "should be ok"   

 

So I guess we will have to see what happens. 

 

I personally dont think it should be a free for all if just the size matches, as there are many situations where changing wheels even with the same size causes issues,

had a chev truck come through the other day with same size wheels as cert, but the load rating was way less than the GVM

Stud length,  wheel nut/seat type, and offset differences causing tyre rub are other potential problems 

 

I had a guy with a low rider with tiny tyres and cheap knock off rims which failed on a few issues cert his car on 14x7 alloys with some adaptors so that the cert appeared to be for the wheels he wanted, which didnt comply

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I think what annoys people is having to get a cert for something lame like coilovers and then not being able to change wheel size where if you just fitted lowering springs you can change wheels/heights without a problem 

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