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On 19/08/2020 at 20:54, scooters said:

Stumbling my way thew Lift kits for the coil spring independent front end modern day 4x4. Think ranger, Prado etc... 

I can see spring spacers and ball joint spacers are just terrible. Not the way to go. 

A lot of vehicles in AU solve the issue with replacement upper control arms a better way to go (imo) To regain the geometry lost in the lifting. 

Do we have any brands of upper control arms that are passed into out system here in NZ that have ticked the box's and are ok to use ? 

 

 

@scooters Talk to these guys: https://trundlesautomotive.co.nz/

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Modifying of clutch pedals are they able to be welded and modified or are they in the same vein as brake pedals eg: a must be a single piece of 8mm with only welds on the pivot and pedal that if fail cannot cause a loss of function? 

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Nah clutch pedal is a free for all, no requirements apart from do things in a tradesman like manner 

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I did a colorado a while ago with a fairly big lift, first it had upper ball joint spacers, I put a gopro on the top arm and jammed the brakes on a few times, you could clearly see the arm flexing due to the increased leverage 

It then got some aftermarket arms but they had some issue with cast or forged bits being welded so they couldnt be certified 

Then the arms got the spacers put back on but had substantial bracing added, they still flexed slightly but it was similar to a stock one I tested so they were deemed ok 

The shocks had to be lowered to the bottom of their adjustment to get enough droop travel as well 

 

Lifted IFS things are a pain in the balls, everyone who does these mods wants their ute lifted as much as possible, and have often spent a lot of money to get stupid angles on suspension arms,  no droop travel, cv boots that flog out every 5k, and are usually very reluctant to fix them (lower it back to a height where things work)

 

 

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1 hour ago, MACKAZ said:

Nothing about mounting the clutch master cylinder inside under the dash? 

Nope just has to be fit for purpose, done properly etc  

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Those spacers and extended ball joints are pretty lol. All of the flex, scary stuff!

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Ground clearance,

Lower than 100mm needs cert? Or do cert guys not like to do stuff under a hundy? (I should know this stuff, but I dont) does that include the zhorst too? I'm thinking I really should buy some 50mm drop spindles. But cunting around under it earlier tonight, a 145mm block of wood wouldnt quite fit under the zhorst. It's a festering cunt of a shape. Am I gonna have to fit taller tyres should I go for cert, (sooner or later i probably should) or jam a steel block between the pipe and the chassis heat her up and jack the car up on the pipe to redistribute its shape sideways? Or is a cert man gonna be a GC and say 90ish mm is all G, sick ride bro do a skid?

 

 

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100mm is the cutoff point when something must have a cert, you can cert something lower than that but a lot of different factors come into it, generally exhaust is not counted in the 100mm deal , just structural parts  like chassis and crossmembers etc  

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On 26/08/2020 at 18:31, LaSpaz said:

Car was first registered in the US in 1954, if I am reading the legislation correctly it won't need seatbelts as on the road prior to Jan/1955 even if not in NZ?

The rules apply to First registered in NZ, as such the seatbelts will have to meet 2020 standards if it has yet to be registered.

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3 hours ago, Yowzer said:

The rules apply to First registered in NZ, as such the seatbelts will have to meet 2020 standards if it has yet to be registered.

After a bit more research it looks like it's manufacture date, not registration in NZ date.

"2.1(2)     A motor vehicle does not have to be fitted with seatbelts if it was manufactured, or first registered in any country, before 1 January 1955, but if seatbelts are fitted, they must be attached to seatbelt anchorages that are of an appropriate type, as specified in 2.6, and:"

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages-2002/#211

And also here on virms even though it says "First registered in NZ", on the tables themselves it reads either "registered anywhere" or "manufactured". So a bit confusing to read but the legislation itself looks fairly clear.

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/vehicle-interior/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages

 

Happy enough to be wrong, but good to have the right info for anyone else looking. 

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On 26/08/2020 at 18:31, LaSpaz said:

I picked up an old Cadillac off FB that I would like to put through entry compliance and enjoy. It had all new front bushes with zerks and new seals when it was imported 24 years ago but now the rubber dust caps  have perished although the suspension is tight because it has only been for the odd blat up the road since replaced. Will the missing dust covers/seals trip me up when I put it through compliance if I take them off or is it more a case of if everything is tight they will be happy? Bushings themselves are not rubber. 

Car was first registered in the US in 1954, if I am reading the legislation correctly it won't need seatbelts as on the road prior to Jan/1955 even if not in NZ? I hope this is the case as has jump seats that would be a pain to deal with.

I had previously read that an imported car has to be registered by the person that imported it and can't be sold for 6 months. Is this still the go or is a paper trail sweet to show where it come from?

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I really don't get any argument for not having seatbelts. IMHO you want as good as you can get into them. Recently I saw a photo of a 60's Cadillac in NZ that had a minor accident and hit a lamp post at less than 20mph and barely dented the bumper and bonnet. (maybe pushed it in 3 inches). The guy hit the steering wheel with his chest and died.

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Having suffered serious injuries resulting in a permanent disability from not wearing a seat belt in a low/medium speed accident that I otherwise would have walked away from, I concur with KK's sentiments wholeheartedly. 

Plus a car that old is a poor handling barge, with little to no other safety features whatsoever. 

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Plus you get pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt which is way more inconvenient than instadeath

But, the law is what it is so no, don't legally need them

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I've got a book which is all photographs from the 50s, mostly of the aftermath of car crashes 

 

Really makes you realise how important seat belts, and steering columns that dont come out and stab you, are  

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Bit of a random seat belt question, to tag along with the above. I have the seat belt "droppers" that suspend the belt at shoulder height (due to pillarless car). Can I paint these without causing a stir? Someone has "camo'd" one of them, and i'd like to paint it a more appropriate colour. It's basically a metal dropper with textured plastic coating and is fully factory spec. The plan is to also have all the of webbing replaced because old belts are a nope.jpg.

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@cletus Can the chassis end of the engine mount have the threads tapped into them, or do they have to be bolts and nuts with spring washers and a minimum of 2 threads projecting?IMG_20200903_163559.thumb.jpg.7adff87157129e3cd30c879853975387.jpg

These are what I'm using, GU Patrol TD42T. 

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