For Questions Regarding WOFs/CERTs/NUMBER PLATEs

[dirty_leppa]

hi man, just a quick question.

been thinking about doing something like this in the future.

main query i have is whats the general legalities on the bonnet and guard extensions? and externally mounted oil coolers?

dont worry about the flairs or the front/ side skirts, just the shark nose bit

the one problem i can foresee may be the fact it is difficult to see the head lights from many decent angle.

im not gonna bother if its nowhere near possible, i just thought it would be helpful to know before i cut and welded shit together

[bubblegoose]

the one problem i can foresee may be the fact it is difficult to see the head lights from many decent angle.

id say pedestrian safety not headlights is the main issue

[dirty_leppa]

fucking pedestrian should stay on the bloody foot paths. but thats a good point

[bubblegoose]

fucking pedestrian should stay on the bloody foot paths. but thats a good point

would be same issues as no bonnet no?

if extension was fibreglass could be better?

[yoeddynz]

what is it with these front mounted oil coolers?....

[kyteler]

what is it with these front mounted oil coolers?....

Completely OT but just to clear this up. It's (along with the flares, splitters, spoilers) emulation/replication of the 60's/70's Japanese Touring Cars, a.k.a

[peteretep]

Hi Clint,

If I am making custom seat rails for my 2 door car, can I build it so that the rear seats are only accessible from one side of the car? ie have fixed rails on the drivers side and folding rails on the passenger side(I understand that suzuki jimny sj413's have this arrangement)

[Seedy Al]

I have a question i hope you can help me with

i have a toyota crown Wagon, it has a solid Chassis through out, and i am wanting to go pretty low with it. At the back to get enoguth travel i am looking at doing a C notch, (not a monster notch or what ever the kids are calling them these days)

So basicly a c notch would be where i notch a section out of the existing chassis, and wled in steel on both sides etc

Something along the lines of this, but not Bolted, although I would consider drilling some holes in the side plates to do some Plug Welds also for added strength.

is this sort of Moddification legal as i have seen very very few over here, and What thicknes steel would be required? I would Figure 3mm as most chassis are not even pressed out of that

Cheers, any help would be great

Allan

[cletus]

Hi Clint,

If I am making custom seat rails for my 2 door car, can I build it so that the rear seats are only accessible from one side of the car? ie have fixed rails on the drivers side and folding rails on the passenger side(I understand that suzuki jimny sj413's have this arrangement)

yes thats ok. as long as theres enough room for a person to sit behind the fixed seat.

[cletus]

I have a question i hope you can help me with

i have a toyota crown Wagon, it has a solid Chassis through out, and i am wanting to go pretty low with it. At the back to get enoguth travel i am looking at doing a C notch, (not a monster notch or what ever the kids are calling them these days)

So basicly a c notch would be where i notch a section out of the existing chassis, and wled in steel on both sides etc

Something along the lines of this, but not Bolted, although I would consider drilling some holes in the side plates to do some Plug Welds also for added strength.

is this sort of Moddification legal as i have seen very very few over here, and What thicknes steel would be required? I would Figure 3mm as most chassis are not even pressed out of that

Cheers, any help would be great

Allan

yes you can notch a chassis rail, 3 or 4 mm would be fine. I use as a rule of thumb no more than 1/3rd of the rail cut out for a c notch, any more than that and you would need to do a "step" or "bridge" notch like what minitruck guys do. i have seen a few trucks from the states with a notch like you have pictured that have cracked at the notched part because there isnt enough height in the chassis rail any more. even with a small c notch the sides of the rail would need reinforcement to make the rail as strong as it was originally.

[cletus]

So do i need a cert if i remove a 253 from an HQ and fit a 186 ?

i know it seems a bit dumb, but legally speaking, yes you would need a cert for that.

[cletus]

hi man, just a quick question.

been thinking about doing something like this in the future.

main query i have is whats the general legalities on the bonnet and guard extensions? and externally mounted oil coolers?

dont worry about the flairs or the front/ side skirts, just the shark nose bit

the one problem i can foresee may be the fact it is difficult to see the head lights from many decent angle.

im not gonna bother if its nowhere near possible, i just thought it would be helpful to know before i cut and welded shit together

yep thats possible.....the things which will apply to this mod would be external projections http://lvvta.org.nz/stdExternalProjections.pdf

things like the bonnet edge not being sharp/having a proper folded edge, oil cooler having radised edges etc..... to prevent the vehicle acting like a cheese grater on a pedestrian who is too busy texting or fiddling with thier ipod.

also as you mentioned lighting, easiest way to check on that would be go to your friendly wof man, and ask to have a look in the WOF VIRM, that had diagrams with angles that the lights must be visible from.

or look in here http://lvvta.org.nz/stdLightingStandard.pdf

the wof manual is probably a bit easier to read.

[yoeddynz]

some questions,

When was it that cert's came about?

And a friend told me that some cars have older cert's which don't have a plate- they have a piece of paper with the changes noted and its sighted and signed by the engineer- are these still OK and accepted by WOF testers/ police if nothing has been changed since it was sighted and signed.

When did they stop doing it like that and go over to a plate?

[Rusty]

The story goes that there was some guys putting v8s in escorts in Napier trying to beat a rotary powered car and they kept crashing them, then there was a death and they tightened the rules on modifications. Dont know how true this is. Been told by more then 2 old mechanics in Napier

[Cazza]

Hey! Great idea for a thread Clint-thankyou!

Im looking at installing rear seatbelts into my Mk 1 , 2 door escort. Im assuming i will need to get these certified? is there anything i need to know about specifics for installing them -or do they need to be installed by a professional to get certification?

Thanks!

[RUNAMUCK]

The bits of paper cert are actually declaration certificates.

They declare that the car was modified before the law requiring cert for modd'd cars came into force. I had a dirty old RX3 coupe which had a declaration certificate. (That car was dodgey as hell too) Cops used to hate it when they'd pull me over and ask for my cert, and I'd hand them that form. They'd be like oh, whats this? Then okay, on your way then.

[R100]

There was a time when WOF issuers didnt even ask for a cert or declaration paper. My datsun 1200 powered hillman imp and toyota 4K morris marina panel van used to fly through WOFs, This was back in 1990 and owned the marina for 7 years.

[cletus]

some questions,

When was it that cert's came about?

And a friend told me that some cars have older cert's which don't have a plate- they have a piece of paper with the changes noted and its sighted and signed by the engineer- are these still OK and accepted by WOF testers/ police if nothing has been changed since it was sighted and signed.

When did they stop doing it like that and go over to a plate?

yep as runamuck said those are declarations, that say the vehicle was modified before the cert rules came about at the start of the 90`s. they didnt actually have to meet any regulations as far as i know, so some of them are a bit dodgy.

there was another cert that was on laminated paper, for minor mods......it used to be that you had to get a cert for just a set of lowering springs, my boss used to do them at the workshop where i did my apprenticeship, i think they were about $90 for those.

[cletus]

The story goes that there was some guys putting v8s in escorts in Napier trying to beat a rotary powered car and they kept crashing them, then there was a death and they tightened the rules on modifications. Dont know how true this is. Been told by more then 2 old mechanics in Napier

sounds like one of those stories you`d hear around a campfire from someone with a torch under thier chin..........

we are lucky to have a system that allows us to modify vehicles in this country.... i know sometimes it seems the rules can make modifying a car tough, but we can do pretty much anything to a vehicle, if its safe and meets the regulations. it came pretty close to not being able to do anything to a car or at least making it very difficult/expensive in the early 90`s

[bubblegoose]

The story goes that there was some guys putting v8s in escorts in Napier trying to beat a rotary powered car and they kept crashing them, then there was a death and they tightened the rules on modifications. Dont know how true this is. Been told by more then 2 old mechanics in Napier

sounds like one of those stories you`d hear around a campfire from someone with a torch under thier chin..........

we are lucky to have a system that allows us to modify vehicles in this country.... i know sometimes it seems the rules can make modifying a car tough, but we can do pretty much anything to a vehicle, if its safe and meets the regulations. it came pretty close to not being able to do anything to a car or at least making it very difficult/expensive in the early 90`s

pomgolia for the win

does it pass its mot/wof

no= fix it

yes=profit