EURON8 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Clint, re: bucket seats, I haven't got the rails and don't plan on havin the car road legal but if do I one day, is it ok to weld weld steel pipe/bar/WHY to the car and bolt seats direct to this so they have no movement? Car is a sedan and will likely be caged but not certain yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morkster Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 just for info value.. http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/docs/gen-7-vehicle-interior-v4a3.pdf Table 7-1-1 on page 7-1-2 LVV certification is not required provided that: the seat is either an unmodified OE seat from another vehicle or of a known and reputable aftermarket brand, and – the seat is fitted to unmodified OE seat anchorages, and – the seatbelt anchorage or operation is not affected, and – the seat components (including brackets, runners and rails) are compatible with each other, ie they are either OE components from a production vehicle or of a known and reputable aftermarket brand, and are not fitted together by welding, and – the relationship between seat, seat occupant, front airbag and location of the seatbelt anchorages is not affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Clint, re: bucket seats, I haven't got the rails and don't plan on havin the car road legal but if do I one day, is it ok to weld weld steel pipe/bar/WHY to the car and bolt seats direct to this so they have no movement?Car is a sedan and will likely be caged but not certain yet. if its for motorsport use then that will be ok there is stuff in the hobby car manual describing how to do exactly this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidian Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 $250 for the manual? damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJZ Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Have the rules on catalytic converters changed again? Last time I checked it was something like Jap motors made after 1988 had to have a cat fitted if the car it came out of had one originally, I've just been told this may not be right any more? My car will be going in for cert in about 3 weeks and it's money I'd rather not have to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hey Cletus, where would I find the document you mentioned concerning dumping the wastegate out the side of the car? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Speed Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Is something like this certifiable? Its' an A arm suspension kit for a beetle, bolts and welds to the existing suspension points on the pan. Would the fabricated spindles pass with crack testing? As a side note, the developer of the kit claims it will improve the handling of a VW beyond that of a Porsche... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hey Cletus, where would I find the document you mentioned concerning dumping the wastegate out the side of the car? Cheers here, in the wof book note 6 page 11-1-2 http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm- ... t-v4a3.pdf it says it has to exit behind the passenger compartment which is slightly different to the lvv standard - 2.1(5) http://lvvta.org.nz/documents/standards ... ssions.pdf so if you ran it out the side infront of the rear wheel you should be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Is something like this certifiable? Its' an A arm suspension kit for a beetle, bolts and welds to the existing suspension points on the pan. Would the fabricated spindles pass with crack testing? As a side note, the developer of the kit claims it will improve the handling of a VW beyond that of a Porsche... all custom front suspensions like this have to be individually approved by the TAC (technical advisory committee) they would advise on any requirements to do with crack testing, geometry changes, stuff like that looks like a good idea for making a beetle handle better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Have the rules on catalytic converters changed again? Last time I checked it was something like Jap motors made after 1988 had to have a cat fitted if the car it came out of had one originally, I've just been told this may not be right any more? My car will be going in for cert in about 3 weeks and it's money I'd rather not have to spend. just checked the emissions standard and it was updated in dec 2011 cat requirements 2.5 http://lvvta.org.nz/documents/standards ... ssions.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJZ Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Sweeeeeeeet, hopefully my certifier has read it by the time I get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmagedon Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hey cletus, what is the go with chopping frame rails shorter, but then welding beefier steel in? would that need to be certed? Or would it be ok if it looked legit enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escorto. Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Note 6 Externally venting wastegates (screamer pipes) are not permitted as they are not adequately muffled and the exhaust gases passing through the wastegate are not directed through the vehicle’s exhaust system. However, wastegates that have their own exhaust system or exhaust pipe exiting behind the passenger compartment are permitted. Does this mean the wastegate exhaust pipe needs a muffler? Also. Would these be cert'able if I had them redrilled to 4x114.3 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/wheels-tyres/nonalloy-wheels/auction-443329315.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Note 6 Externally venting wastegates (screamer pipes) are not permitted as they are not adequately muffled and the exhaust gases passing through the wastegate are not directed through the vehicle’s exhaust system. However, wastegates that have their own exhaust system or exhaust pipe exiting behind the passenger compartment are permitted. Does this mean the wastegate exhaust pipe needs a muffler? purely yes if its too loud : must abide by normal exhaust laws mufflers muffle noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Hey cletus, what is the go with chopping frame rails shorter, but then welding beefier steel in? would that need to be certed? Or would it be ok if it looked legit enough? depends, what are you looking at doing? any structural modifications need cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Note 6 Externally venting wastegates (screamer pipes) are not permitted as they are not adequately muffled and the exhaust gases passing through the wastegate are not directed through the vehicle’s exhaust system. However, wastegates that have their own exhaust system or exhaust pipe exiting behind the passenger compartment are permitted. Does this mean the wastegate exhaust pipe needs a muffler? Also. Would these be cert'able if I had them redrilled to 4x114.3 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/wheels-tyres/nonalloy-wheels/auction-443329315.htm depends who you ask......... that paragraph says the wastegate has to have its own exhaust system, it doesnt mention anything about a muffler being a legal requirement. also,under test conditions, the wastegate wouldnt be open, there is no drive-by or full throttle noise test. as for the wheels, depends on how the studs holes are made, usually steel wheels have a pressed raised bit where the wheel nut goes, there may not be enough thickness to drill the hole and taper it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Hey Cletus, where would I find the document you mentioned concerning dumping the wastegate out the side of the car? Cheers here, in the wof book note 6 page 11-1-2 http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm- ... t-v4a3.pdf it says it has to exit behind the passenger compartment which is slightly different to the lvv standard - 2.1(5) http://lvvta.org.nz/documents/standards ... ssions.pdf so if you ran it out the side infront of the rear wheel you should be right One of them mentioned not being allowed to run it out the left side of your car... is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 it does say that but only applies to heavy vehicles and PSVs (buses etc) top of the page rh side, the bit that applies to us is "general vehicles" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Mean! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmagedon Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Hey cletus, what is the go with chopping frame rails shorter, but then welding beefier steel in? would that need to be certed? Or would it be ok if it looked legit enough? depends, what are you looking at doing? any structural modifications need cert. The frames measure 65(w)x45(h)x1.2 wall. If I replace them with something that's 65x25x5mm would that be ok? What sort of strength are we looking for, second moment of area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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