VintageSpecial Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 15 hours ago, KKtrips said: In my opinion, vehicles once they reach a certain age should be able to have all the driver assist, ABS, airbags etc removed, just because getting parts for them if they go bung will be impossible. But it probably needs to be longer than 14 years, cos my Prius is nearly 14 years old and its just broken in. A chap I know thinks there is a conspiracy involving Dekra and the car manufacturers (big car?) to try to get all old cars off the roads faster saying it's in the name of safety but really so the manufacturers can sell more new cars. As a software guy my concern isn't parts but what happens when the software in cars stops being updated and you could end up with vehicles no longer compliant due to not having some vital update or patch. Someone can always make mechanical parts, but software is all protected by copyright and licensing restrictions so it's not so easy to get around (legally). See all the fights with John Deere about the right to repair around this. It's a bit like how Apple use planned software obsolesce to force people into new iPhones. Owners of older Teslas will find it starts happening to them soon too I imagine. It's made worse with the way cars seem to becoming more like appliances these days. 14 years is a long time in software terms. That's how long it was between Windows XP being released and the end of life support date for it for example. We do Agile now, people seem to expect the software to change every two weeks 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Your mate may well be right VS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 19 hours ago, Kiwibirdman said: Where this could get interesting is if someone has bought a new Hilux off a Dealer and said give me everything including bull bars etc on a new vehicle. If the bull bar fitted by the dealer doesn't meet standard then there could be a claim under consumer law. There was probably thousands of utes sold new from dealers with lift kits that didn't comply I went to a large dealer once to cert a vehicle that had big wheels or something, it also had strut spacers and longer shackles . I told them I had to cert those as well, and it had problems which meant it couldn't be certed as it was Apparently the supplier of the parts had told them that they didn't need cert so there was a whole lot of utes new from the dealer which weren't legal because of 3 year wofs, it didn't come up as a problem and I think if the dealer was doing the wof and service it doesn't get picked up for ages Then it gets taken to a different place for a wof, knocked back and they ring me saying "there's been a rule change and now I need a fuckin cert, it's bullshit, it's been that way since new and it's fine" 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Early jap nuter Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Yeah when I was fitting things to new utes afew years ago I brought this up in a meeting with big Auckland dealers and the response was not our problem when warranty runs out. They never sold the parts to you they sold you a truck and u had the parts fitted but as a service to you as a customer we will get them fitted before pick up. Toyota was the only one that wouldn’t let curtain products fitted 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibirdman Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, Early jap nuter said: Yeah when I was fitting things to new utes afew years ago I brought this up in a meeting with big Auckland dealers and the response was not our problem when warranty runs out. They never sold the parts to you they sold you a truck and u had the parts fitted but as a service to you as a customer we will get them fitted before pick up. Toyota was the only one that wouldn’t let curtain products fitted Not sure how well that holds up when you walk back through the door with the original invoice that lists all the added on parts. Under NZ consumer law, they, as the retailer, are on the hook, warranty expired or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Just now, Kiwibirdman said: they, as the retailer, are on the hook, warranty expired or not. Will be interesting to see how that stands up in court. Undoubtedly someone will take a test case, thereby setting a precedent for others to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibirdman Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, igor said: Will be interesting to see how that stands up in court. Undoubtedly someone will take a test case, thereby setting a precedent for others to follow. Just takes one pissed off lawyer who spent a $100k on a blinged out Ranger Raptor to go on a crusade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Early jap nuter Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kiwibirdman said: Not sure how well that holds up when you walk back through the door with the original invoice that lists all the added on parts. Under NZ consumer law, they, as the retailer, are on the hook, warranty expired or not. Just saying what I was told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibirdman Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Early jap nuter said: Just saying what I was told I fully believe it, the attitude of some car dealers is fucked beyond belief. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locost_bryan Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Plenty of legal precedents that you can't weasel your way out of your responsibilities. The courts took the "jointly and severally responsible" line with leaky homes, OSH breaches, employee exploitation. Of course, like with leaky homes, all the small players will try to legally disappear leaving the government or council to carry the can. At work, we had a similar thing with migrant workers employed by an outsourcer's subcontractor, legally we were still responsible for how they were treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cullen Posted November 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2023 Don't stress guys $30 will see ya right. 4 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNAMUCK Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 A sticker fixes all. Rust hole? Sticker over it. Illegal and dangerous bar, sticker! Is there anything they cant fix? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Just now, RUNAMUCK said: A sticker fixes all. Rust hole? Sticker over it. Illegal and dangerous bar, sticker! Is there anything they cant fix? Presumably one that's more than 150mm on the edge won't be fixed by a sticker 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin'joe Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 19/11/2023 at 20:54, RUNAMUCK said: A sticker fixes all. Rust hole? Sticker over it. Illegal and dangerous bar, sticker! Is there anything they cant fix? applies to rusty 'self-contained shit-in-the-bushes vans' as well........ i believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSpecial Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 To be fair, stickers work the other way around too! https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/resources/notices-ordering-a-vehicle-off-the-road-pink-sticker-green-sticker-and-yellow-sticker/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3spct Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I might have once kept a car on the road a couple more wofs with thin packaging tape and body match color paint. Wish id kept that car and repaired it properly now, but it has 300k on the body and was just plain worn out 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Is there nowhere to bolt a mount? Pretty sure all the hangers on my car are bolted on. I'd try and do it that way, or make a hanger that can link to the existing mount and weld it where possible on the exhaust. Pic might help? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 If the other mount was already welded there, then it's probably passed WOF's for years without a problem. I'd just avoid welding to factory stuff when possible personally. Obviously it's already do so just carry on. If there was ever an issue you could remove it and tidy the crossmember back up to be like it was never done. When I put a whole new exhaust in mine, it built it from scratch so it didn't match original design. I just bolted up mounts to existing holes then welded on rod bent as hangers to suit those locations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nominal Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, Kerry-TGI said: I think I might've asked this before and apologise if so - my hilux is missing the load sensing proportioning valve and it's come up again at wof time because my rear brakes lock up. I've seen online people getting rid of it and replacing with a manual bias valve to tune the brakes. Is that cert territory? Yes, this is all you are allowed to do without cert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nominal Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Kerry-TGI said: Would this part not apply? Or am I interpreting that wrong? As far as I know the problem is not exactly the missing valve but that the rear brakes are imbalanced and there's no adjustment Getting a cert for a proportioning valve should be easy, but will cost $$. Can't you replace the factory part? That would be the easiest and probably cheapest option https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/car-parts-accessories/toyota/electrics/listing/4445657106 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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