kyteler Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Grind some flats onto it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Would end up pretty small. Needs a nut welding on the top at one million degrees IMO. Heating and shrinking might help it along. I had pipe wrench on it, gripped it fine, but the force I was putting on it without it budging was a bit concerning. Laying under car, feet against wheel while trying to crack it open, no luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Not sure welding a nut onto a sump full of oil is a great plan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustHarry Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, kyteler said: Not sure welding a nut onto a sump full of oil is a great plan... Agree. @- i5oogt - When you back in town. I'll have a go with a big chisle and hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 All good. Just figured the oil would act as a coolant for the welding, a couple of few second tacks isn't going to boil a sump of oil. But yeah, I haven't done it myself, ignore that idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsnz123 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Could drop the pan then do some welding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Is the sump aluminium or steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Surely a battery powered impact wrench would get it off without damaging the sump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingbrick Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Bling said: All good. Just figured the oil would act as a coolant for the welding, a couple of few second tacks isn't going to boil a sump of oil. But yeah, I haven't done it myself, ignore that idea. Nah its a good idea. Youd have to be a real mongrel to heat the whole sump up to ignition temp lol. Hell.. the engine usually has fire and explosions going on inside it. Someone should get a map gas torch and heat it up (not until its glowing...but hot as hell), let it cool off and then give it a hoon with pipe wrench (jist incase its got something silly like loctite on it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cletus Posted March 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2018 I tried welding up a hole in a sump in place when I was an apprentice boss reckoned if I drained it, then heated it up slowly enough the oil would not ignite or explode, but get thin enough to drain out the hole completely boss was wrong. bent the rocker covers out between the bolts I don't think I ever found the push in oil cap fuckin hurt my scone bouncing between floor and x member getting away from the flames shooting from the sump plug hole 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 There is a marked difference between the combustion chambers igniting vapourised fuel at the head of the engine, cooling and expelling the heat as they go and the sustained red hot metal of welding something. 49 minutes ago, flyingbrick said: Nah its a good idea. Youd have to be a real mongrel to heat the whole sump up to ignition temp lol. Hell.. the engine usually has fire and explosions going on inside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNAMUCK Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I'd weld a bit of ten mm bar to.it in a heartbeat. It's just my welder isn't very portable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustHarry Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 9 hours ago, cletus said: I tried welding up a hole in a sump in place when I was an apprentice boss reckoned if I drained it, then heated it up slowly enough the oil would not ignite or explode, but get thin enough to drain out the hole completely boss was wrong. bent the rocker covers out between the bolts I don't think I ever found the push in oil cap fuckin hurt my scone bouncing between floor and x member getting away from the flames shooting from the sump plug hole I agree. Prob best to remove sump first if possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yetchh Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I'd give it some heat then hit it with a pipe wrench, if it snaps so be it what have you got to lose.. a sump and some time Also a couple of hits with a hammer to free it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingbrick Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Hi Cletus..the problem was that you drained the oil first and removed its cooling ability. Usually with a sump full of oil the oil wouldnt even get warm jist welding a nut on. If any doubt just put more oil in first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg193 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 The real problem is that he basically turned the engine from a vessel with a heap of a liquid with screw all oxygen and a large barrier between your sparky bits and the oxygen into a combustion chamber full of flammable vapours mixed with oxygen and no barrier between the ignition source. / Trying to weld up a hole on anything oily is just silly and you'll be chasing leaks for the rest of the day. Welding to the sump plug shouldn't be a problem. But I still reckon an impact will get it loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, flyingbrick said: Hi Cletus..the problem was that you drained the oil first and removed its cooling ability. Usually with a sump full of oil the oil wouldnt even get warm jist welding a nut on. If any doubt just put more oil in first. yeah my situation was a little bit different- theres a bit below the sump plug that hangs lower than anything else on a SB Chrysler, and that bit got a hole rubbed in it from the road... I agree though, if you weld something to the sump plug itself with the sump full of oil, it should be fine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I get the feeling your boss knew what would happen all along Along the same lines of filling a room with 100% LPG, and trying to light a match, not going to happen. Get the mix in the room right though, and the room is no longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yetchh Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Nor are your eyebrows/hair.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 11:01, Bling said: I get the feeling your boss knew what would happen all along quite possibly. when I first started work at 16, I was told the correct way to check the diaphragm on a mechanical fuel pump, was to blow, hard, with your mouth into the inlet side. I thought this was a bit odd, but did as I was told anyway the outlet pipe pointed back out of the pump in the same direction, so I blew all the remaining fuel back into my face/eyes character building I think its called 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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