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[Yowzer]

On 26/08/2020 at 18:31, LaSpaz said:

Car was first registered in the US in 1954, if I am reading the legislation correctly it won't need seatbelts as on the road prior to Jan/1955 even if not in NZ?

The rules apply to First registered in NZ, as such the seatbelts will have to meet 2020 standards if it has yet to be registered.

[LaSpaz]

3 hours ago, Yowzer said:

The rules apply to First registered in NZ, as such the seatbelts will have to meet 2020 standards if it has yet to be registered.

After a bit more research it looks like it's manufacture date, not registration in NZ date.

"2.1(2)     A motor vehicle does not have to be fitted with seatbelts if it was manufactured, or first registered in any country, before 1 January 1955, but if seatbelts are fitted, they must be attached to seatbelt anchorages that are of an appropriate type, as specified in 2.6, and:"

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages-2002/#211

And also here on virms even though it says "First registered in NZ", on the tables themselves it reads either "registered anywhere" or "manufactured". So a bit confusing to read but the legislation itself looks fairly clear.

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/vehicle-interior/seatbelts-and-seatbelt-anchorages

 

Happy enough to be wrong, but good to have the right info for anyone else looking. 

[KKtrips]

On 26/08/2020 at 18:31, LaSpaz said:

I picked up an old Cadillac off FB that I would like to put through entry compliance and enjoy. It had all new front bushes with zerks and new seals when it was imported 24 years ago but now the rubber dust caps  have perished although the suspension is tight because it has only been for the odd blat up the road since replaced. Will the missing dust covers/seals trip me up when I put it through compliance if I take them off or is it more a case of if everything is tight they will be happy? Bushings themselves are not rubber. 

Car was first registered in the US in 1954, if I am reading the legislation correctly it won't need seatbelts as on the road prior to Jan/1955 even if not in NZ? I hope this is the case as has jump seats that would be a pain to deal with.

I had previously read that an imported car has to be registered by the person that imported it and can't be sold for 6 months. Is this still the go or is a paper trail sweet to show where it come from?

Cheers.

I really don't get any argument for not having seatbelts. IMHO you want as good as you can get into them. Recently I saw a photo of a 60's Cadillac in NZ that had a minor accident and hit a lamp post at less than 20mph and barely dented the bumper and bonnet. (maybe pushed it in 3 inches). The guy hit the steering wheel with his chest and died.

[RUNAMUCK]

Having suffered serious injuries resulting in a permanent disability from not wearing a seat belt in a low/medium speed accident that I otherwise would have walked away from, I concur with KK's sentiments wholeheartedly. 

Plus a car that old is a poor handling barge, with little to no other safety features whatsoever. 

[tortron]

Plus you get pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt which is way more inconvenient than instadeath

But, the law is what it is so no, don't legally need them

[cletus]

I've got a book which is all photographs from the 50s, mostly of the aftermath of car crashes 

 

Really makes you realise how important seat belts, and steering columns that dont come out and stab you, are  

[Bling]

Bit of a random seat belt question, to tag along with the above. I have the seat belt "droppers" that suspend the belt at shoulder height (due to pillarless car). Can I paint these without causing a stir? Someone has "camo'd" one of them, and i'd like to paint it a more appropriate colour. It's basically a metal dropper with textured plastic coating and is fully factory spec. The plan is to also have all the of webbing replaced because old belts are a nope.jpg.

[MACKAZ]

@cletus Can the chassis end of the engine mount have the threads tapped into them, or do they have to be bolts and nuts with spring washers and a minimum of 2 threads projecting?

These are what I'm using, GU Patrol TD42T. 

[cletus]

1 hour ago, Bling said:

Bit of a random seat belt question, to tag along with the above. I have the seat belt "droppers" that suspend the belt at shoulder height (due to pillarless car). Can I paint these without causing a stir? Someone has "camo'd" one of them, and i'd like to paint it a more appropriate colour. It's basically a metal dropper with textured plastic coating and is fully factory spec. The plan is to also have all the of webbing replaced because old belts are a nope.jpg.

Should be ok , theres only one place in nz that can re web belts legally at the moment, I think there was a link a couple of pages ago 

[cletus]

1 hour ago, MACKAZ said:

@cletus Can the chassis end of the engine mount have the threads tapped into them, or do they have to be bolts and nuts with spring washers and a minimum of 2 threads projecting?

These are what I'm using, GU Patrol TD42T. 

Do you mean thread the chassis?  Or the bit in the picture?  

If you mean the chassis then yes you could if it was thick enough and you use the right size bolts and lock washers etc

[Beaver]

Bolt on wheel spacers. Max 20mm (as per the spacers content of the lvvta standard) or max 30mm (as per the adaptor content of the lvvta standard)? Pretty sure the standard talks about spacers as slip on type (which need to be secured to the hub) , and adaptors as proper bolt on ones yeh? So a bolt on spacer is considered as an adaptor in the standard.

Please say 30mm...

[cletus]

Correct. 30mm max for adaptors 

 

Dont buy cheap ones 

[Beaver]

Beauty. Any recommendations? Or just stick with a reputable shop and use common sense etc.

[cletus]

Znoelli.co.nz are the only ones that have been consistently good, they are made in nz  

[Bling]

2 hours ago, cletus said:

Should be ok , theres only one place in nz that can re web belts legally at the moment, I think there was a link a couple of pages ago 

Ah didn't know that. Had my last one done at Fiddymont Seatbelts. I'll go look back a few pages cheers.

Edit: may have been my link? lol

[SiRge]

@cletus retrofitting another cars subframe to an older car. Is it easier for the certifier to ensure its safe by cutting and changing the subframe to fit the car, or cutting the car body to fit the subframe (it's no more than a tissue box-sized hump required) 

At first I was thinking reshaping the subframe, but now looking at it, probably keeping the subframe in tact as much as factory probably makes more sense from a rigidity pov

I haven't engaged a certifier yet, but this was the last thing on the list to prove this direction is plausible. 

[cletus]

Would really depend on what sort of car/subframe/ area of the body you are talking, but if it's only a single layer panel like a floor or firewall section then the body would be better to modify. 

[SiRge]

The area is the bottom and centre of the firewall just left of the clutch pedal. The car is a Honda N360 (about the size of a classic mini), the subframe is from an 80s civic/crx.

[rusty360]

What's the go with putting 3 point seat belts in the back of a wagon? I'm all good at the moment as junior is still using his car seat with built In harness so a lap belt is all good. but not sure what I'm gunna do at booster seat time. 

[cletus]

Pretty tricky in a EH from memory,  I think the pillar is too far forward or too small ? I'd have to have a look you might have to put it below the window