tortron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Tried some other things. One was a tin can with steel wool in it and a bunch of holes. I managed to get the gel to roar in this set up, but boil time was still about 20mins, and it was hard to extinguish and carrying two things you may as well use an alcohol stove. Seems I got it right the first time, I tried a pot stand that sits on top of the tin, but it blocked too much air and increased boil time by 3-4 mins. Modified my original shield to support the mug better and put a few holes around the bottom. There's a few ways I could force feed it some air, but it's just extra complexity and weight for minimal gains, the tin itself doesn't promote it either. I have an idea about having 2 lids and some drilled tubing like a carb emulsion tube to get oxygen inside the can but eh maybe. As a comparison, an esbit tablet (solid hexamine fuel) boils 500ml in 8-9 minutes. It leaves some gack residue on the bottom of the pot though, however easy and reliable. I might see if I can find a clean burning firelighter for cheaper. Also it's faster if you break the tablet in half for more surface area The price is right on these cans, but in 20mins I can have cooked and eaten. Note to add- some forests around the world have fairly strict rules on camp stoves and gel fuel is allowed Also a 100g gas canister will boil about 10l for $6 so may as well use that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Those caldera shields above seem to do a good job though. 20% more efficient use of heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 How fast will a Mapp torch boil? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I'll test it tomorrow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willdat? Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 15 hours ago, tortron said: Tried some other things. One was a tin can with steel wool in it and a bunch of holes. I managed to get the gel to roar in this set up, but boil time was still about 20mins, and it was hard to extinguish and carrying two things you may as well use an alcohol stove. Seems I got it right the first time, I tried a pot stand that sits on top of the tin, but it blocked too much air and increased boil time by 3-4 mins. Modified my original shield to support the mug better and put a few holes around the bottom. There's a few ways I could force feed it some air, but it's just extra complexity and weight for minimal gains, the tin itself doesn't promote it either. I have an idea about having 2 lids and some drilled tubing like a carb emulsion tube to get oxygen inside the can but eh maybe. As a comparison, an esbit tablet (solid hexamine fuel) boils 500ml in 8-9 minutes. It leaves some gack residue on the bottom of the pot though, however easy and reliable. I might see if I can find a clean burning firelighter for cheaper. Also it's faster if you break the tablet in half for more surface area The price is right on these cans, but in 20mins I can have cooked and eaten. Note to add- some forests around the world have fairly strict rules on camp stoves and gel fuel is allowed Also a 100g gas canister will boil about 10l for $6 so may as well use that https://www.gearshop.co.nz/products/jetboil-micromo-cooking-system?variant=29523955286114¤cy=NZD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjw2uf2BRBpEiwA31VZjxNWWOzPDchYBoT78rTMf3xuWrTjfx5RqIjrt58LbRz92Lf6rA69XRoCbc8QAvD_BwE I have one of these, 12L /100g and boils 500mL in 2 mins. I was super cynical until a guy next to me set up, cooked, ate and cleaned up before I'd even boiled with my meths burner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Yeah I have one too I'm a camp stove barry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SOHC Posted June 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 Parts of this are made from the Mitsubishi colt rear seat I hacked out in a bad mood because I couldn’t find the bolts. 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tortron Posted June 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2020 Wife sent me this picture a few days ago I told our neighbor you would make this for her. No, just buy one, it will be cheaper Apparently none available. So today they are getting this She wanted a removable shelf, so I went one better and made it adjustable 18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupertg Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Is that barbed wire on your wall? I presume that is not the neighbour you are going to effort for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tortron Posted June 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2020 Just now, Rupertg said: Is that barbed wire on your wall? I presume that is not the neighbour you are going to effort for. I went to the NZ prison supplier and said give me something that's going to cause permanent disability to anyone who thinks.about going.over my fence 13 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4nd Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 06/06/2020 at 09:32, Willdat? said: https://www.gearshop.co.nz/products/jetboil-micromo-cooking-system?variant=29523955286114¤cy=NZD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAjw2uf2BRBpEiwA31VZjxNWWOzPDchYBoT78rTMf3xuWrTjfx5RqIjrt58LbRz92Lf6rA69XRoCbc8QAvD_BwE I have one of these, 12L /100g and boils 500mL in 2 mins. I was super cynical until a guy next to me set up, cooked, ate and cleaned up before I'd even boiled with my meths burner. Cool. It looks like 80% of the benefit is using a heat-sink in the base in reverse to couple the flame heat into the liquid, and also insulating the sides. I wonder if it'd be worth passing the exhaust up the side a bit, too Or something like this: https://www.wired.com/2014/07/a-jet-engineer-designs-a-saucepan-that-heats-up-super-fast/ Maybe even with a shroud up around the gas to keep it in to the sides of the pot, during the windy. Step one, glue 486 heatsink to bottom of pot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 MSR make/made these copper heat exchangers The problem being it's actually quite a niche market. Most hikers won't hike long enough to get the fuel benefit of carrying it. Easier to carry an extra boils worth of fuel. Takes a while for the weight to pay itself off. Most useful when you are melting a shit tonne of snow for water, so the market is extended mountain climbing for groups 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Further camp stove barrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4nd Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 I paused your video as the siren was going off, and there was a siren in-sync in the background here. Aliens. Off topic. Not spam? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortron Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 woop woop thats the sound of the police woop woop thats the sound of the beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gruntfuttock Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Why weren't you weighing in on the slipper chat in spam... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4nd Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 Back on topic, nerds I made a test jig out of bean tins, RC servos and spit. It worked great: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MightyJoe Posted June 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2020 I bought this and a trowel today for $3 . Didnt expect much but it had weight to it. An hr with some wet and dry and it turns out its got some age and was a good make in the good old days. 'Rabone no1905 8". ' 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datlow Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I cleaned up some mouse oil in the cupboard, went from black to rather blue/green hope it doesn’t smell in the next few weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ajg193 Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 Here's a tool I've been making recently. I still need to make a good handle for it, but to be honest the cap screw is probably stronger than any handle I could make. The clutch in the middle is hardened to reduce the risk of galling when it slips (adjustable preload, allows slipping when die binds or you hit a shoulder) 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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