eskynut Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Has anyone done a 4age into a mk2 esky? I'm thinking about putting one in mine to use as a basic club car. Any thoughts be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My name is Russell Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Gaz used to have one in his mk2 escort, here is the thread. http://www.oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewto ... highlight= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 u wanna put a 4age in a mk2???? u must be mad i just put a 4agte in mine and it sucked. what box are you going to run i spose if u ran a standy bluetop on carbs witha k50 it wouldnt be so bad because then you could mount then engine further forward and not have to wing the sump and shorten the oil pickup. make sure u get some like ae86 mounts of something because it will make life alot easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskynut Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 u wanna put a 4age in a mk2???? u must be mad i just put a 4agte in mine and it sucked. what box are you going to run i spose if u ran a standy bluetop on carbs witha k50 it wouldnt be so bad because then you could mount then engine further forward and not have to wing the sump and shorten the oil pickup. make sure u get some like ae86 mounts of something because it will make life alot easier. Was thinking of using a T50 box due to K series not strong enough. The std 4age cheaper than working the xflow and still be more powerful and more driveable. This is just going to be a club type car as I really want to get out there and have some fun while building up my other MK2 into a real rally car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 by the time you get it in there, wouldnt you be better putting something better in there? or just 2 litre it. Waste of time going 4age for the cost IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 3sge would be pretty mean wouldnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Testament Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Fiat twin cam with twin carbs/131 5 speed depends how much power you want/engine characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 4age would be sweet. Sure its not much power but will probably be faster than a pinto powered one. Would duratec or zetec be a worthy transplant? I don't know much about them but they seem to make good power. 3s-ge would be sweet but probably more difficult that even a 4age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Would duratec or zetec be a worthy transplant? I don't know much about them but they seem to make good power. Yes. Duratec is a better/more hp engine I think.. But isnt as easy to get in there. I think you would only really use either of them if you wanted to keep same brand. They are both pretty hard to get in there from what I believe. Zetec is good however cause ya can bolt the Sierra type9 five speed up to it. Need steel sump out of Focus so ya can mod it. Reroute water lines, prob remove brake booster, new mounts, and with zetec def need aftermarket ECU as the ECU links with everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sexychevette Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 k50s alright unless ur guna mod the engine or do crazy shit like clutch kicks and shift locks etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHGWAG Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Clutch kicks & shiftlocks are mandatory... ITS AN ESCORT FOR FUKS SAKE!!! Also, go Pinto, Massive weight in the front of your car = epic sledging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Speed Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I've always wondered when "we'll" move on from the 4age as a popular transplant maybe to the modern equivalent - the 2zzge... probably a little harder to make work but a whole lot more fun once its done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 ^^ Yeap same, but prob cause Im a 4age hater un lees turbo. Id go with a Ga16 if your real broke or a ca18de if you have a tad more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 The ca18de doesn't really make good power for a later model engine so unless its an easy fit I'm not sure whether I'd bother. The 4age is a very over done conversion but it works and its a lot easier than getting something in there that no one has done before. Sure it’s a little bit boring and power output won't be significant but it will probably suffice for what this guy is after. Power is also good, ranging from 115hp to ~150hp depending on model year with the 100kw (140hp) red tops being pretty easy to source and thats from an engine thats smaller and lighter than a ca. A 2zz-ge would be awesome but its already been proven not to be the strongest of engines and I guess they'd still be quite expensive also, when a 4age can cost only a few hundred dollars. If we're going one eyed on engine options here I might aswell get my bit in and add the opel engines. You can get a 2L twincam ecotec Opel engine from almost any vectra b for around $1000. Probably lower k's say 150,000. Make rwd headers and a decent intake for carbs or throttles and an ecu and expect around 30hp more than the average 136hp they make standard. A gearbox from a VN commodore will set you back around $150 and if you are lucky enough to find a manta the sump will allow you to slot the engine right back in the bay and mounts should be a walk in the park too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-e Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 3sge beams stat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sexychevette Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 cr500 kickstart from inside engine bay . stat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskynut Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 I am planning to use the 2.3 Duratec in my other car I'm building. There's heaps of good bits to use on them to get good power and reliability. And bolt in easy without too many mods.(see burton, or rally design) The only reason I'm looking at a 4age in the club car is they're cheap. And not too much power to destroy the std esky diff. They dont like too much grunt through them. Even with a mild pinto the diff won't last long especially if rallying. I don't really want to spend all my time fixing it when I can be building a sweet mk2. Any more power and I'd have to use a atlas diff or similar. As a bit of info -Ford tried to sue Toyota over the 4age as it was originally a copy of their bda. Was only at the last minute that Toyota changed something and Ford dropped the court case. Got that from a guy in uk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yeah we've had a few threads on the similarities between fords BD* series engines and Toyotas 4age. Usually ends in an argument How about a smaller capacity newer ford engine thats based on the same block? I'm not sure if they are any but a lot of other manufacturers used a similar type block for engines from 1600, 1800 to 2000 and sometimes even larger during the 80's and 90's. You say the ford duratec 2.3 is relatively easy to fit in so perhaps a smaller capacity version may be the solution to both your needs as these engines are usually very sort after either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 How about a smaller capacity newer ford engine thats based on the same block? I'm not sure if they are any but a lot of other manufacturers used a similar type block for engines from 1600, 1800 to 2000 and sometimes even larger during the 80's and 90's.If your meaning based on the Xflow theres only really the BD* engines and the Endura-E 1100 out of the KA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 If your meaning based on the Xflow theres only really the BD* engines and the Endura-E 1100 out of the KA Not so much based on the BD* engines, more so based on the duratec, as he says that the duratec goes in relatively easily but thats the engine for his race car and he wants something with less power and torque than this for the club car. I see those smaller engines are based on the kent, so would go in easily but aren't particularly exciting. How about one of the below engines. They are the MZR engines, which were aparently shared with mazda and this engine is what the Duratec is based on. Duratec MZR 2001–present DOHC I4 1.6 L (1598 cc) 1.8 L (1798 cc) 2.0 L (1999 cc) 2.3 L (2261 cc) Now that infomation is form wiki, as my knowledge of ford engines is not the best unfortunately. I'm just throwing some ideas around http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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