Gaz Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 How easy is easy in regards to dropping the duratec in? From what I had heard it wasnt the easiest conversion at all. But Ive never really read up on it 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 BD*s are based on Kents too, i got mixed up and thought you were suggesting something later based on a Kent/Xflow lol I'v always thought about using a B5 from a BP Famillia in an Escort, im not sure but have been told the MX5 box bolts on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy_rich Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 the easiest derivative of a ford twin cam engine to come by would be the piece of crap twin cam engine in the later model sierras, you'd be better off with a pinto or a 4age, though i reckon a ca18de would be the go, wont have to pay massive money for a 4a to T50 bell, and all the water lines etc wont need adapted from an east west arrangement. ca18's and 4age's are very similar in size and weight, its just the sump config I have no idea about, and could be a cunt with the stupid frontal steering setup ford love so dearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 how bout a sr20de? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 its just the sump config I have no idea about,. My ca has an unmodified sump and fits in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy_rich Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 bonzai, ya gotta cut up a 4age one, cos they are all hangin out low at the front. = gay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskynut Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 How easy is easy in regards to dropping the duratec in? From what I had heard it wasnt the easiest conversion at all. But Ive never really read up on it 100% Not too bad at all. There's a lot of bolt on parts or ready made parts available ex uk at pretty good prices and bellhousings or adapters to suit different gboxes. If you get a chance look up burton or rally design in the uk. They're prob the biggest in duratec stuff over there. And guys at Palmside here in chch can get stuff too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I also would advise not to bother with a 4age... waste of effort.. yeah cheapish but then why bother, transplants are never that easy so if you're going to the trouble then go to a bit more trouble and make it worth your while. If price is on your mind and you don't want loads of diff breaking power then just put a 2L pinto in it. Can't really get cheaper than that and you can do it in a weekend. Nismo's got a worked 2L in his Mk1 van thats making 100hp at the rear wheels, makes a lot more torque than a 4age and is loads of fun to drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 4age in escort = awesome fun car to drive a real drivers car unlike pinto where u jst leave in in 4th and stump ulling torque does the rest. 4age pwns ca for availability and reliability. plus every ca ive driven felt poos. however due to the gayness of fords postitioning of the rack it make the conversion a bit harder if u want the engine nice and far back. if u dont mind having it abit further forward then it would be easy as the sump modification would be about as bad as a pinto. pinto gets owned by 4age coz of revs if nothing else. u can have a whole rwd 4age setup for about 800-1000 bux inlcuding box loom and ecu. fuel system is easy and a escort that starts when u turn the key is another good reason not to put a pinto in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 I've never had a pinto that didn't start when I turned the key? nismo's pinto escort is fuel injected and starts easy as, leaks no oil, revs like a bitch and was cheap as chips. If youre gonna put a 4age in why not a 4AGZE? that would be more worthwhile.. or a Zetec.. or a SR20. I'd even work the Xflow, they can be more fun than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskynut Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Cheers guys, sounds like I threw a stone at a hornets nest. I thought about a pinto, but then thought a 4age (or similar) would perhaps be better. Mix of old old school and newer old school sort of thing. Power and reliability. Lots to think about. I want to try and get it done by end of this winter. Keep it coming guys! cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 because a ze is a pain with all the plumbing if i did mine again id do a small port with quads and a link running through a k50 and locked 4.1 escort diff. simple and very effective and alot more power then any pinto i personally have experienced. totally agree with last comment though worked kents are easy and escorts handle alot better with the lack of weight in the front a decent x flow would be heaps of fun for alot less effort then a pinto or a 4age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_escort Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 interesting thoughts and ideas. probably the main idea why i sticked with a Xflow in my escort is because as above mentioned, keeps the weight in the front to a minimum, which in turn keeps the handling characteristics as best as posible. although no doubt a 4age is probably lighter then an all cast iron xflow but not sure. for all the trouble you could go to doing a conversion, you could be building a fun little xflow, and iv got a few bits and peices to get you started that i want to get rid of, il let go cheap as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Ive had a worked 4age in a mk2 escort and also a worked pinto in a mk1 escort. Pinto is IMO a better engine for the car. Not just for the ease of instalation but also for the torque factor and the simplicity of getting 140-150 HP out of them. Not saying the 4age isnt easy to get that power out of or that it wasnt fun.. I just like the peppyness of the pinto in the little car rather than the 4age in which you had to wait for the revs to wind up, im sure in Rally etc this would prob be the opposite. Hrm, cant be arsed writting anymore, just my 5c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 ^ I'd say it would be hard to argue with someone who has both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_escort Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 ^ yep, but it all comes down to ones own preference also. thought it might be worth mentioning that a guy i know here in the bay used to rally a escort with a 2l and got plenty of power out of it. but hes now building a new one and going back to a xflow simply because he didnt like the extra weight in the front. at the end of the day, you dont go fast having loads of grunt, handling comes first imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 at the end of the day, you dont go fast having loads of grunt yes you do lol. (anyways, on the street, I've never really noticed that much of a handling difference between a 2L and a xflow in an escort.. both of them handle like an old escort) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vvega Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 plenty of high powered pinto's out there if you want teh old new mix...get a lotus or a cosworth...dont pervert the car with a bloddy 4age attually stick a rota in it au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_escort Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 at the end of the day, you dont go fast having loads of grunt yes you do lol. (anyways, on the street, I've never really noticed that much of a handling difference between a 2L and a xflow in an escort.. both of them handle like an old escort) hah. but seriously, when driving in anger, power isnt a priority. iv seen stock standard BOS cars go faster around our HBCC track than datson and corolla rwd rally cars etc etc. thats probably a - getting the power down issue, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskynut Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 Yep power isn't everything. You need to be able to get that power down and get traction. The fastest 4wd rally cars actually are quite low in hp just HEAPS of torque. I'm just building a low cost club car to have fun and learn to drive it. Don't need or want undie browning power. No point learning to rally in a full on grp4 car. That's why I would have thought a std 4age will be ok. I could always play with it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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