kyteler Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 I want to see someone run outboard injectors please. Make it you, Markku! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 Yeah it is a lot of coin eh... ^$1620+ gst for the G4 Storm, more for the xtreme. Which is way too much coin while I'm at uni - unless something amazing happens. ... I could do my setup the same as Roman's Carina, with quads going into an airbox running standard AFM etc - it's an option. The other option would be to buy cams, disable VVTi and run adj cam pulleys... Seems to have worked quite well on other peoples cars - Brendan Dunckers Blacktop was supposedly 270 engine hp with standard bottom end, good cams and no VVTi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Oh not saying it wont work! But even with crazy cams there is mid range to be had with intake VVTi dont let anyone tell you any different. But yea pretty hard on a uni budget to build and race a car! sucks the link pricing has gone so stupid, it was $1800 for the top one when they came out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 Whole heartedly agree Spence... Glenn (?) in aussie said that using VVTi was worth 25KW and a lot of midrange on his race motor, which is not to be ignored. Problem now is to try and rebuild this pulley, toyota list it as a non-serviceable part so there's no info on how to put it all back together . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Doohan Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 there arse to put back togethier also .. vvti soliniods also feed oil to front cam bearing ... so if you do pull it out... make sure you fit the apropreatly drilled plug .... toda do cam pulliys for vvti removal... though vvti is good stuff and you dont wanna remove it would loan you my extreme .. but its waiting for my vvti uz to turn up and asimilate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 would loan you my extreme .. but its waiting for my vvti uz to turn up and asimilate it .... That will be fairly cool. Still in the lux??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Doohan Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 would loan you my extreme .. but its waiting for my vvti uz to turn up and asimilate it .... That will be fairly cool. Still in the lux??? yeah bro vvti and a couple of turbo's ... its got about 30 grands worth of bits in it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 would loan you my extreme .. but its waiting for my vvti uz to turn up and asimilate it .... That will be fairly cool. Still in the lux??? yeah bro vvti and a couple of turbo's ... its got about 30 grands worth of bits in it now Was just thinking that thing mus be pretty trick by now. You got some sort of checklist for putting that vvti shit back together? There are heaps of holes that look like they could be for oil in various places. Do they go in the gap between the gears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingsfree Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Stock comp is millions of work... Will upgrade to G4 if I want to run it propperly - which will most likely happen. It would be ideal to have propper VVTi, 4 coils etc all going. So worth it gettin the G4. Mate of mine Simon, is running a stock standard beams 3s, only mods are itb's, and link g4, and that dynoed 205rwhp. The mid range with the vvti is def worth hanging onto, its pretty impressive when you have it in a light car, hes running his in this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 ^ hope he's building an airbox? thats free/cheap HP G4 it markku start saving/ course related costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 course related costs That! May even get a loan to live even though I'm at home for cheaps.... I'd love to go to a G4, but as I've already said it's just not possible at this point in time. Gathering funds to but the engine was hard enough, and that was much less than a G4 + Tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingsfree Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Wouldnt cams and adjustable cam pulleys be pretty expensive as well tho/ still need tune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 I haven't had the quote for cams and wheels back yet, but we'll see what comes from it. Not sure where I'll go with it until all quotes for parts come in and I free up some more funds. 200hp is the target, and if that can be had without doing cams it would be nice. I've got a few experiments to try out when we get the motor in there as well. Might still be possible to get the VVTi working without going to a g4... but it'll take some fiddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsspeed Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I assume you mean not on stock ecu - would this be making the vvti solely rev activated rather than load (as I understand this is how it works in stock form - assuming its like 4age 20v's?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 no 20v has vvti, they arnt PWM controlled, they are simply a on/off affair VVTi uses a load vs RPM map to determine cam timing advance/retard. If you use a piggy back unit it must take in load to function optimally. If you just use RPM and tune it for WOT it will be inncorect at partial throttle openings out of corners etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingsfree Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I haven't had the quote for cams and wheels back yet, but we'll see what comes from it. Not sure where I'll go with it until all quotes for parts come in and I free up some more funds. 200hp is the target, and if that can be had without doing cams it would be nice. I've got a few experiments to try out when we get the motor in there as well. Might still be possible to get the VVTi working without going to a g4... but it'll take some fiddling. Fair enough, just thinkin if youre gonna have to spend $1000ish? on cams and pulleys, is it worth spending abit more to just get the link? You can def get 200hp out of it stock, Il try and get a pic of Simons dyno sheet for you if you want? I think its gonna be an awsome machine either way, Im really looking forward to how it turns out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 If you could get a copy of that dyno sheet I'll be really interested. Just got a the price for a set of cams from CSL... And it's nearly double what I expected so will definitely be going stock cams for now. no 20v has vvti, they arnt PWM controlled, they are simply a on/off affairVVTi uses a load vs RPM map to determine cam timing advance/retard. If you use a piggy back unit it must take in load to function optimally. If you just use RPM and tune it for WOT it will be inncorect at partial throttle openings out of corners etc. I'm thinking about trying out Waynes idea, which was to use the stock ECU to run VVTi and the link as a piggyback for fuel and ignition. It means I'd have to run an AFM and have a spark return signal going back to the computer so it can figure out load/rpm... Not sure if it'll work but it's worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 You only want cams from that ausie guy, I can dig up all my emails from him with his pricing. Same grind as his, they keep VVTi and are epic. Hes done lots of R&D to get where he is. They are around $1600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unclejake Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Hello! Seems you are working in the super expensive bit of the car Truenotch. Good luck mate, it is a scary place. The car looks good on the track (from the vids). What dry lap times are you down to now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Doohan Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 You only want cams from that ausie guy, I can dig up all my emails from him with his pricing. Same grind as his, they keep VVTi and are epic. Hes done lots of R&D to get where he is. They are around $1600 is that including him modifying the cam wheels ?? if i remember rightly they need to be modded to limit movement and stop the valves getting mashed on a side note .. just did my highest hp tune today to date .. 283rwkw @ 1 bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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