For Questions Regarding WOFs/CERTs/NUMBER PLATEs

[Driven Goose]

3 hours ago, cletus said:

I couldn't say from pics 100% they would be ok or not.  I'd have to look at it in person 

The bits that look like they 'may' be an issue are the radius just behind the second front bush to clear the steering is quite sharp, and the bracket at the chassis end isn't supported where the bush is, although the bracket does get clamped by the gbox member from memory? . But it all might be fine. 

I did have a customer who made his own arms for a landcruiser, and the radius for the steering arm was too big and it failed FEA testing compared to the factory arm

He redesigned them and then they were ok after that

 

How much are you lifting the suspension?  IMO a patrol starts to get a bit yuck with more than a 3" lift due to panhard bar angles  

 

 

Hmm. Is there any way to know whether or not they’ll be fine without buying them? As far as I am aware, nobody in NZ stocks them. 

From what I understand the back of the drop box is sandwiched between the chassis and gearbox crossmember, and the front end is supported by a bolt that bolts up to where the original pin from the end of the factory radius arm goes in.

4” is what I have gone for in terms of lift, I may live to regret it, but I am committed at this point, a lot of the components I have already purchased are for a 4” lift.

Is the problem with the “sharpness” of the radius in the arm that it creates a stress point? 

[ajg193]

Please tell me the LVVTA isn't relying on the POS SolidWorks FEA system for their approvals?

[NickJ]

1 hour ago, ajg193 said:

Please tell me the LVVTA isn't relying on the POS SolidWorks FEA system for their approvals?

One would hope there is additional reporting behind those images to qualify the results?

[cletus]

Customer supplied those to prove his arms he made himself were stronger than the original ones 

[M.H.]

Can I chop this part of the body out?

 

 

[cletus]

Do you mean cut it out and leave it out?

[cletus]

13 hours ago, WhangareiKE70 said:

Hmm. Is there any way to know whether or not they’ll be fine without buying them? As far as I am aware, nobody in NZ stocks them. 

I never tell anyone that a part will be certifiable unless it's obviously ok or I've seen it before, 

because I've had someone threaten me with legal action over a part I said looked ok in pictures but when in person it had obvious issues. 

Try asking the guy you are using for cert, he may have seen them before 

[M.H.]

9 minutes ago, cletus said:

Do you mean cut it out and leave it out?

Cut it out, it's part of the body not the chassis

[cletus]

2 hours ago, NickJ said:

One would hope there is additional reporting behind those images to qualify the results?

I just added the pics for interests sake because it was relevant to the discussion, there was more to it than those pics, I left all the other bits out because that info is the property of someone else 

[cletus]

1 minute ago, 00quattro00 said:

Cut it out, it's part of the body not the chassis

No, you would need to replace any strength removed with something else 

[Kimjon]

With the seat belt anchors, I removed the seats carpet etc...and under all that are factory original mounting points on the floor. These go through an overlapping seam on a crossmember flange.

Can I just use these? Or do I still need to put in double plates?

This rubber bung was in the threaded hole. Its behind the seat mounts, but at the very front of the B pillar.

 

This section says it's okay...but man is this shit confusing for me. 50 pages on how to mount seatbelts! Surely 2 pages with drawings would explain it far better than 50 pages of words ever would?

[Kimjon]

Balls! I tried mounting the retractors on the factory holes...looks good, clearances are good, it's in the magic H zone...but they don't work on that angle. Mine are designed to be mounted straight up/down. So I think I'll need to do the double plate method after all.

 

Edit:

Is this a viable alternative?

And imagine there's a double plate, mounted it would look like this - held vertical against a non vertical surface 

[Driven Goose]

8 hours ago, cletus said:

I never tell anyone that a part will be certifiable unless it's obviously ok or I've seen it before, 

because I've had someone threaten me with legal action over a part I said looked ok in pictures but when in person it had obvious issues. 

Try asking the guy you are using for cert, he may have seen them before 

That is absolutely understandable. 

He (Shane Speight) hasn’t seen them before, asked me to get more info, so I have emailed the company. Will wait to see what I get. 

If it comes to it I will just shell out for the Superior Engineering ones. Just trying to save money where I can, but not at the expense of safety/doing things twice. 

[cletus]

@Kimjon

Would this option work for you?

 

[Kimjon]

24 minutes ago, cletus said:

@Kimjon

Would this option work for you?

 

I think the sill would prevent this option from being viable. I'll check it out tomorrow...after 15hrs working non stop on my car I'm a bit over it tonight.

Where that paper with the x on it is the sill, so I cant drill in there as I wouldn't be able to access the other side. If I go any further inwards on the floor to find the flat area I'll likely be too far inwards and foul on the seat. But I'll check for sure tomorrow.

Thanks for the reply, much appreciated tho.

[MACKAZ]

Dunno if still available but you used to be able to get retractable that you could dial an angle into it. This was 20 years ago though

[cletus]

Could you put the angle bracket on the original anchorage on the floor?

[Kimjon]

2 minutes ago, cletus said:

Could you put the angle bracket on the original anchorage on the floor?

Maybe. It's a good idea, thanks.

[M.H.]

What happens when you put a different body on a chassis? I want to put a land rover series 2 body on a discovery chassis, series 2 is dereg and the discovery is still live would also be shortening the discovery chassis

[Ghostchips]

3 hours ago, 00quattro00 said:

What happens when you put a different body on a chassis? I want to put a land rover series 2 body on a discovery chassis, series 2 is dereg and the discovery is still live would also be shortening the discovery chassis

I saw someone who did this, but with ford pickups.  It was cert'ed as a body swap.

/ling