Gaz Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 ^^ amen that. lotus/4age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUL8R Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Lets not forget the Datsun engine that was closely modeled off the morris minor 1100 (a12 from memory) Cheers,Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 The Japanese, along with many other countries, companies and manufacturers of the time, BOUGHT THE RIGHTS AND LICENSING to the engines/bodies/hardware etc, then they adapted, modified and improved them so that they worked more efficiently and/or correctly. The same thing went on between manufacturer's, sharing knowledge, trading knowledge, yet for reasons of retardation, every cunt jumps on the Japanese for being some sort of criminal for "copying". Yes, the Datsun A-series was modeled off the BMC A-series, under license, then modified and improved. I can't speak specifically for the 4AGE/Lotus deal, however I know that in the 70/80's Toyota and Lotus did work together on several projects, including the Toyota Supra and Lotus Eclat/Excel.. something like that. If you want to go beyond bought rights and licensing, then name someone in the motor industry who is original. Every has borrowed and lended from everyone else, the Japanese are no more or less guilty of that than any other cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Revhead Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 hey i wasnt bagging anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 ^^ neither. I think its great. Get better goods from it. Hell, I love jap shit. But the 4age vs lotus. They def didnt have the rights in this case. Were court battles over it 4ages. << mean pun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Revhead Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 are you sure? never heard about court issues before..... they are a very very similar design, but there are differences. eg cam carrier etc, whereas 4age is one piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Yup, was battles in court over it for ages. Then 4age changed something and it was dropped. Ive read a huge artical and seen a vid about it years and years ago. Its a mean story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Revhead Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 can you see if you can dig it up? id really like to see that that aside.... BDA = god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 that aside.... BDA = god *yawn* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 all this "spam" deletion then talking about engine similarities in a wheel thread... jesus people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think you mean Cosworth not Lotus Meth! Its the Cosworth BDA that the 4AG was supposed to have been based on, not the Lotus twink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Revhead Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 yeah, of course it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- i5oogt - Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 wheels on my 67GT are Ward Minilites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 all this "spam" deletion then talking about engine similarities in a wheel thread... jesus people lol, wasnt spam. Was mean info.. kinda Just in wrong place. Um, yeah think I fucked up the engine.. but none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 that aside.... BDA = god Now it's on it's own thread... the BDA was a great engine of it's day, but my was it easy to blow up. Even when they were (relatively) common, they were big money to fix, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 every cunt jumps on the Japanese for being some sort of criminal for "copying". Every has borrowed and lended from everyone else, the Japanese are no more or less guilty of that than any other cunt. I dunno if they do mang... I mean, mostly the arguements begin when younger cunts start bashing Fords. 'Fords = shit Bo 4AGZE 4 lyfe' sort of thing, then someone points out that 4AGE owes it's life to BDA. then bash bash wingewingewinge Aint nothing wrong with copying engines, I mean, why the hell wouldn't you? Clearly Ford weren't smart enough to find a way or mass producing the BDA for everyday cars, so go toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unclejake Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Strangely - while not being drawn to Japanese vehicles at all - I would consider it 'wrong' to fit just about any English/Australian/American engine to a Japanese car. It just doesn't feel right to me. Hiffing a Japanese twincam turbo into an Escort or Cortina on the other had makes PERFECT sense (not that I have ever done it). Cheap, powerfull and really well built. BDA engines are worth moonbeams now, YB Cosworth may be heading in the same direction I guess. Ford based Lotus motors are dropping in value a little bit. My age has something to do with taste I guess - when we were boy racers no one could afford a Japanese car. There were about two guys in town with Datsun 240KGTs - near God like. The rest of us had to put up with Cortinas, Vivas, Escorts, Valiants etc. etc. I have an 18 year old daughter - and NO she is NOT coming to the NATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 The rest of us had to put up with Cortinas, Vivas, Escorts, Valiants etc. etc. Best way to put it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mk1 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Got pictures unc? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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