Guest Deton8 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Well, upon being told that the ford v4 is a shit motor im up the creek.... i could go for a pinto engine for the superminx. remembering its a bit heavier than the escort, and ive got heaps of time and wanna make ot look cool and go fairly well as well. so ive decided on the 4age. now im all for injected cars and all, but can someone clarify for me: on the early 4age's, there was a carbeurated setup? with 4pot carbs? i think i may be goign crazy and this is something i used to know but i dont wanna go saying i want this and that if it was never invented. the other option is ofcourse the TVIS engine, i had a 2ltre in my celica and that went like a maori out of the shower. or the 20v..... any reccomendations. also whats the addy for that aussie 4age site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I didn't think that they came out carb'd but I do know that Redline make a twin carb manifold for them, so you're in luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I've seen carbed versions, known as 4AG, with no E, but that coulda been a typo or just an aftermarket conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deton8 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 The 4AGE itself displaces 1587cc and is in a belt driven 16 valve twin cam configuration, running multi-point fuel injection. No factory engines were produced with carburettors Righty ho... so now heres the tricky bit. is there any reason i cant take the whole injeced manifold off (ie unbolt it at the head) and have an adaption plate made up to seat a set of say deltorros on? that way i figure the only thing i'll have to worry about is the ignition because i'd be able to take out most of the computer system as im not using the injection part any more. or am i wasting my time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I might be able to help you out with a 4AGE from one of those stupid FX rolla's as well.. was talking to a guy the other day, I'm in Invers though and the engine is just north of Gore but if you're keen let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 You may as well get the 20 Valve or a 4AGZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 You may as well get the 20 Valve or a 4AGZE Why?? even the wheeziest, worn out older 4AGE would go harder than the smelly British lump that used to be in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Mk1 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 WTF!!! Kyteler, get ur greasy hands off my crash damaged FXGT!! Interested to know how you found out about that aye, 'coz its BACK country! If you do go n get it, come n c me, im only 15 mins from it.. PS. Ive heard that 20v's are gay city and break easy or dont get as many revs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deton8 Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 also, what would you guys reccomend in the way of carbys? the wreckers here hace like 3 32/36 TC webers, but i think id rather go for side draft. 1st for ease fo setting up and 2ndly because i might turbo a bit later on. how would you go about turboing twin sidedraughts...... i think its alot easier to run a turbo setup on a single 32/36??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 WTF!!! Kyteler, get ur greasy hands off my crash damaged FXGT!! Interested to know how you found out about that aye, 'coz its BACK country! If you do go n get it, come n c me, im only 15 mins from it.. Arrr, tis back country indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toucan Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I'd go with a red/black top 16v, keep it oldschool as much as pos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozin Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 You may as well get the 20 Valve or a 4AGZE I wouldn't touch a 20v.... have you driven one? Torque is at an all time low on those things..... Smallport redtop 4age would be the go, keeping it NA etc etc. as they tend to flow a lot better than the bigport models (velocity etc) which in themselves are actually more suited to turbocharging... And we all know how well an oldschool car with turbo 4AGE power goes with a hairdryer bolted onto it... (TIM1D!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W8NSEE Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 yea i agree with alfaholic the 20v's just dont cut it compaired to the good ol 16v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxtoy Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 TIMID has a 20V head on it.......... but the general opinion is that they're not worth the extra hassle. quad throttle bodies are pretty cool though if you want injection. http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/INDEX.HTM have a read through the above website for some info on RWD 4age conversions, i know the guy who made the website and he reckons the EFI is worth the trouble, and not that hard to set up. that said i drove an SR coupe a few years back with twin dellorto's on a 4AGE and it was fucking quick and sounded mean. brakes were a bit scary though........... cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Sure the torque might be low in a modern vehicle, but in an old light one, it'd fair better. The sound of those 20V engines at full noise is fantastic. Buth then again, I've never driven one, so maybe I'm just ignorant. It'd be easier to turbo the 4AGZE anyway, wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Iv been in a corolla with 4age twin 40's on it slightly ported and TRD cams. It could move out. I would say do the carby conversion on one and haul some ass. Nice sucking sound is always nice too hear aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 78lancer Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 if ur gunna b carbying it u may aswell just get a 2t engine, its basically the toyota engine b4 the 4age but its still 1600 dohc but some cum standard with twin sidies(solex's) and there r also injected 1s, plud wud b cheaper... thats if u havent already bought a 4age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxtoy Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 2T's are crap compared to 4AGE's, i should know, i've got one in my celica (i had a sohc with twin carbs, now got a fuel injected dohc. only temporarily though). they're heaps heavier and nowhere near as many parts available. that said if you want to spend some serious money on one then the 2T's and 3T's are quite strong and they heavily modify them in mexico to run 8's and 9's. if you can find a 3TGTEU it would be worth it, stock fuel injected turbo'd 1800, and plenty you can do cheaply to get more power (swap from 3T twinspark head to 2TGTEU for a start). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Wouldn't carbying a 4AGE be a backward step? They're one of the most famous import efi engines ever, for good reason I would imagine. Cost would outweigh the benefit, sure it would be kinda cool, but surely efi would be better all round for power and reliability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerm Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 most people who put them in oldschool cars carby them i'm pretty sure... and twin sides can be a step up in power if tuned and setup right i have heard.....doesn't help fuel consumption though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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