Seedy Al Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah sorry for lack of updates Havnt really had a chance to do anything with this yet However at Kumeu I did get a super sweet deal on some air cylinders They should work mint as either axle springs or used to make the draw bar work how I want it, however after seeing a picture Kk posted of a Bagged trailer then I think i know of a way to do that with out getting extra air stuff on the draw bar This is the trailer I was taking about As you can see the draw bar is attached to the axle. Not quite how I would run it but you get the idea this is kinda also how I want to run the axle, or DO IRS Only consern really with this setup is the the axle would have a weird arch in it, so when it was slammed or raised, which ever its set up as, the wheel center would look odd in the wheel arch, as its going to move forward or back on the pivot. If you get what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB8-TypeR Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Put spats over the wheels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 so I'm looking for suggestions on how to do my axles with the air bags basicly I want to do each sie indepnant, so I can keep the floor nice and flat. so what i have been thinking is making some short axles that will fit into some bearing blocks (2 each side to make it stable) And then mounting the stubs for the axles on piece of box off those pivots. And attaching the bags to them. So pretty much like what you see on the trailer pictured above. here is a bad idea of what I mean The blue sections are where the bearings would go, and then they would be attached to a plat welded to the chassis The pink bit is the stub. so yes, the wheel is going to move forward and back as a result of the arch of the stub / axle, but hopefully it wont be to much to notice really. And for those wondering what A bearing block is That but with a 50mm internal size (the size of my axles) SO if anyone has any thoughts of other ways to do it I am all ears Those bearings blocks are about $80 each and i would need four, so thats not that cheap really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Either that or you could use rear arms out of a BX or Xantia and as they are independent you can set the track width at whatever you want - or if you could figure that the width is correct then you could use the rear beam out of 205. 306, 309 405 Peugeot etc... I think the guy with that trailer used a Peugeot rear beam.. Plenty of appropriate donors turn up at PaP often enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I can get a price on bearing blocks if you want cheaper ones. They look exactly like those. We used them on the chilly bin and were either 24 each or for 2... though we only used a 30mm one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Would you have to have big cut outs in the floor of the van to house the bags and shit? What about having the bags up front (like on the draw bar or something?) and have push rods back to the axle? I havent thought this through at all. Never been under a carovan tbh, is there a fair bit of room under them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanfels Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Would you have to have big cut outs in the floor of the van to house the bags and shit? i wheel wells in caravans are usually in the cuboards so there is plenty of room to house the bags, its the floor down the middle of the caravan that will be the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 This is kinda how a BX Rear Suspension is setup - you could replace the hydropneumatic spheres and cylinders with your air rams.. Can also nix the mid part of the subframe also and make the track as wide as you want.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Carovan with flares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Also I suspect it would pay to incorporate some form of sway bar in there to prevent getting a crazy boogie on... PS - I think I just recognised the top pic I posted as a rear subframe out of a Morrie 1300 so there is another option but a fair bit less room to play.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durty Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I bet Allan loves the idea of using Citroen stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm just suggesting an easy solution - if he doesn't want to then its no skin off my nose.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durty Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Haha. It's probably an awesome idea I just know that Allan has mad love for citroens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 yeah a sway bar would be a good idea.......... But yeah....... all ideas are good ideas. Would really need to have a good look at the back end to under stand how the suspention works with the trailing arms on that. And yeah as stated, having nothing throught the center section is the key. Can cover all the other stuff with beds or whatever really. As for your idea VG, I dont like the idea of a whole caravan reliying on a single point to control the hight all round. Plus I would like to be able to use each side independant from each other for leveling etc. And better chuck some shocks somehwere to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 Also the part of the way i liked about what i was planning is that I can choose how long the trailing arm can be, which means if I make it longer, the wheel moving forward and back in the wheel arch will be less, and therefore probabaly make me happier haha Next time I'm near a citron i will have a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I was sorta thinking a rod either side, but if you have room, that ideas sorta pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock-Lee Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Have you considered a p6 type arrangement with a bell crank setup an run the air ram along the caravan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelies Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 good old bag-over-leaf not gona work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted April 30, 2012 Author Share Posted April 30, 2012 haha I do not trust anything that is single leaf. though it probabaly would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelies Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 no drive or braking, no leaf twist? also, probably wouldn't need to go to single but i see you have cylinders anyway, i shut up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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