Seedy Al Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 So, this is an idea I have been playing with for a while now in my head, but have never really sat down and figured out the facts etc. I basicly want to fit Citron BX LHm suspention into my b1600 ute, so I can slam it out when parked, and get it to a drive hight when driving. So what I really need to start with, are some decent Schematic's of the system, and a good explentaion of how the system works, what I would need to look out for, and stuff like that. I have a bit of an idea of how it works, and would also like to know if it possible to make the hight control independant from front and back. And yes I know the concept of using french parts is Fu*kn yuck, because, well, you know...... Anyway, get crazy on this I am keen to hear your views and opionions CD the the shop lifter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 My opinion is I can't really see why you would do this over airbags. Airbags are going to be a lot simpler, more reliable and probably heaps less work. Easier to cert, drive better etc. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombsquad Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Airbags are going to be a lot simpler, more reliable and probably heaps less work.Easier to cert, drive better etc. And most importantly not french/ junk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegoose Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 heres some stolen reading material for you cdsl The system takes advantage of the fact that you can compress a gas but cannot compress a fluid. Thus gas acts as the springing medium while the hydraulic fluid does all the clever things such as providing damping and levelling. Unlike the hydrolastic system fitted to certain BMC and BLMC cars, the Citroën system relies on an engine-driven pump to pressurise the hydraulic system Hydractive 2 system fitted to high specification variants of the Xantia and XM 1. Computer 2. Steering wheel movement and speed of movement sensor 3. Accelerator sensor - reads accelerator movement and rate of movement 4. Brake sensor 5. Speed sensor 6. Body movement sensor 7. Electrovalve 8. Stiffness regulator 9. Extra sphere 10. Front suspension sphere 11. Rear suspension sphere active stz in action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The Japanese invented a marvelous system to do the same thing. Called a sway bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegoose Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The Japanese invented a marvelous system to do the same thing.Called a sway bar. be quiet woman, your input is not French enough for this fred do active steez al and you get self levelling gizmo's too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 The Japanese invented a marvelous system to do the same thing.Called a sway bar. The first stabilizer bar patent was awarded to the Canadian S. L. C. Coleman of Fredericton, New Brunswick on April 22, 1919. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 schooled. also if you pulled it off it'd drive better than airbags could ever dream of, and the parts would never wear out. such is the design of hydropneumatic stuff that it never wears out. there's no seals in the legs to leak, and they're constantly self lubricated so wear is negligible. you'd wanna use cx front end stuff for the front of a b1600 as bxs are mcpherson strut style but cx stuff i like, wishbones and shit. not sure what you'd do for rear. flaring of pipes could be an issue no issue running rear seperate from fonr.t if you wanted to pipe and linkage it up you could run one height corrector per corner if you wanted. http://www.citroen-ds-id.com/ds/Landrov ... nsion.html some guy sherie knows has done it to a mark1 escort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted August 13, 2010 Author Share Posted August 13, 2010 the point of doing this over air bags is that it would be fucken cheap As for issues with mac daddy pherson strut I had thought of just making loop that would support the strut. However if cx stuff is wishboned out then maybe that would be a good option, however i dont want to be sending lots of money buying cx this and bx that haha As for the rear, i belive they run a canter lever setup??? this can be replicated pretty easy I would say Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-e Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 go for it bro! I reckon its a great idea and it could be extremely handy to pave the way for others who might like to use the setup on different shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock-Lee Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 this has some good info http://web.actwin.com/toaph/citroen/work/work.html Am super keen to see this done. EDITED: for better link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted August 14, 2010 Author Share Posted August 14, 2010 dude that is a super handy web site thanks! pretty much explains everything you need to know Question, If I just control the hight controls manually, and dont connect the auto leveling side of things, is my ride going to be bumpy from rocking full hight and full slam? and does a citron have external bump stops to stop the shocks maxing out all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 the levelling valves are just to get it to the right ride height automagically - if you used a hydraulic switch instead and turn it off where you want it you wouldn't need the levelling valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I have a 77 b1600 chassis in my backyard in hamilton, how's $50 sound? come pick it up then you can make your hybrid chassis and still have a working vehicle, i reckon its a cool idea and probably a cost effective option, some extra valving would sort your independant height adjustment stz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 This would be fucking cool to see done How would the certing of it go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 hmmmm, Unfortunatly I May be postponing this idea, Just had a measure up etc and looks like if I go low low I will be having to move the brake master clinder and all sorts of stuff just to engine bay clearence. And given it looks like a certain V8 has popped up for a certian white crown wagon then I might just do a low as possible thing here with out cutting up everything Something like this Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 on that note i have just about had my flipped bj stub axles finished just have to cnc up the new tapered bush, the stubs were friggin hard and a shit to mount in the cnc mill but could do it all again easily now. Nick reckons about $400 for a pair to be done will give max low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 hmmmmmm....... very interesting indeed... Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBreeze Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Pretty keen on LHM into another car too. Not sure how hard it would be to tune - i.e. if you wanted the car to be sporty and not boaty? Can you change/pump up spheres to change the spring rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seedy Al Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 yes I believe you can pump more pressure into the spheres to get a stiffer ride etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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