Hachi-ichi Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 @ Mitch. Because Donks never scrape and have suspension travel @ Thomas. Too late Not really anything I can do now to lower it any more legally. 20 mm lower than it is now and it was riding on bumps, I had it (at it's best) at 60 mm lower than it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I'm calling bullshit, surely?How high is that shiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 height isnt the be all and end all...... He clearly states 20mm lower is on bumps and therefore would be a no go for cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachlander Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Plus you have to remember he's on 15s, these things look wierd on small wheels unless fully slammed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hachi-ichi Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 110 mm F + R. @ Beaver. 20 mm lower wasn't allowed for 2 reasons. Bumps like you said and also the Floor pan stiffeners were lower than 70 mm. Lowest point had to be above 70 mm. I can understand where CLint and the LVV are coming from right now, any lower and it would eat shit on bumpy roads, and generally just be unsafe by LVV standards. can't really lower it at this point because that will void the cert. May just kit lower it or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Ah yep good info. Good to see you aren't being all FTP /fuck john key etc. and having a rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hachi-ichi Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 There is no point, Doesn't help the system and all it does is in some ways provoke stricter standards. I knew before the cert what I was going into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderJZX Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 get the cert and use the +/- 5% hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hachi-ichi Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 15 mm lol, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.QCR Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 There is ways around this but I hundred percent understand your situation . It looked so damn sweet that low tho ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderJZX Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 15 mm lol, Every bit counts! hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hachi-ichi Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 There is ways around this but I hundred percent understand your situation . It looked so damn sweet that low tho ! if only there were legal ways around it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 height isnt the be all and end all...... He clearly states 20mm lower is on bumps and therefore would be a no go for cert. The reason I said it, which in the context of this thread is quite obvious tbh, is that he is pursuing a certain style of which lowness is a huge part. He's made mention of shakotan before and of the fact he wants to go low. Couple that with the images he posted of guard gap I could fit my sizeable head (IRL not possible don't hold me to that) in made me think he was trolling a nigga, statement regarding legalities and bumps inclusive of trolling. Boost some pics up. Been following this build silently with high hopes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I did the cert check on it. When it came in the shop it had just under 50mm clearance at the front chassis rails and about 5mm bumpstop clearance all round. we raised the spring platforms to get some travel back, checked it and the back was a bit high so dropped the back again by shortening the strut length, the chassis rails are now 70mm off the ground, it drives well as it is now. The tyre size makes it look higher than it is, plus the rails hang down quite a lot. the tech guy at LVVTA reckoned 80mm should be about as low as a car should be certed, however there is no legal minimum height, they dont want to set a particular amount as a minimum as every car is different. the 100mm wof rule is really a cockup as some cars are fine at that and others have zero travel, but they are "ok cos its got 100mm clearance" a certain white van and its owner has caused a LOT of shit with LVVTA and the police which has put low cars under more scrutiny as LVVTA does not want a repeat of what has happened with that one 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Question cletus - on what grounds do you consider a low car unsafe? Presumably there are reports, studies etc? Or is it simply driving it on our shitty ass roads?I am curious as to the actual real-world repercussions of having a super low car, as in, is there sufficient recorded evidence where a number off accidents are attributable in some form to the suspension of a car being unsuitable. I get this uneasy feeling of a blanket rule which as you rightly stated is garbage.If it comes across as me having a go, I just wanna say I'm definitely not, I've just always been curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hachi-ichi Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 Can't put pics up, not at this height (on these tyres anyway haha ) EDIT : The height isn't the problem really, just the loln little tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 As far as a cert inspection goes, there are a few different things to look at with slammed cars, and different people have different opinions on whats too low. Most cars, the suspension geometry or tyre rub is the limiting factor on how low you can go. with a car done in this style, that is not an issue because the wheels and tyres are small so that drops it a lot for starters, so the chassis rail height becomes the main stumbling block. I dont know of any reports or statistics regarding accidents vs height, i think they lump any modified cars together as just being "modified" there was talk a while ago of having max spring rates in adjustable suspension because there was a run of cars in fatal accidents with suspension that was "too stiff", but that appears to have faded away for now. as far as the chassis height- me personally i dont think its actually that unsafe to have a car low if the suspension works properly, ive done a lot of k's in 2 different nissans with drop spindles, one was bagged and one static. damage is the main issue- a car with 50mm chassis rail clearance, and 30-40mm of suspension travel like what the rulebook says it should have minimum, is going to end up grinding thru the rails, sills, getting caught up on railway crossings, manhole covers, stuff like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hachi-ichi Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yeah, realistically Shakotan is never going to be legal, mainly due to practicality / damage. you can make saso work at that height but it will always be prone to damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.QCR Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Surely if the grinding of chassis rails and sills down would be something picked up in a wof and action woul have to take place to repair back to factory specs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 yep thats right. however, chassis rails are not normally a wear and tear item haha. so certifying a car like that would result in trouble eventually. i certed a cressida at 50mm not long after i started because i couldnt find a reason in the rule book at the time why it couldnt be that low (scrub line, travel etc all ok) but did end up with a lot of b/s from wof inspectors moaning about it, a cop rang me and asked why i certed it so low, etc...its not worth the hassle trying to justify or prove that its still safe when it probably isnt due to reasons mentioned above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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