KKtrips 23,449 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I failed at splitting this out of spam completely but this topic is here for general questions about air bag suspension Don't worry Alistair - I have contacts in the USA and I know of containers coming over on a semi regular basis (monthly it not moreso) The retail cost of bags is my sticking point.. I need 2 of each of these... Cam can you please check if part #70-2000 is valid and available from Firestone?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spencer 22,905 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Alistair will never fit a york on his engine, being a v8 an the ancillaries are tucked up under the cylinder banks/heads a york is massive. Electric will do just buy more expensive ones that are quiet and mount them on some rubber, and in an enclosure (make sure its ventilated they get hot) KK if you shop around you should be able to get a set of bags like your after for easy under $600 which is pretty good. make sure they have internal bump stops etc to save hassle mounting bumps later Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alistair 2,072 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 What's the go with the internal bump stop ones, how can you get that stz certed without a bump stop? Would you need to show proof that the particular model you were using have an integral stop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spencer 22,905 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 depends on your certifier its mostly to stop damage to the bag when its deflated, but you can get away with it as a bump stop as long as you meet other safety requirements Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 497 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Don't worry Alistair - I have contacts in the USA and I know of containers coming over on a semi regular basis (monthly it not moreso)The retail cost of bags is my sticking point.. I need 2 of each of these... Cam can you please check if part #70-2000 is valid and available from Firestone?? Is that one on the left able to wrap around a macpherson strut? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spencer 22,905 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Yup hollow bag will go over a strut, but you wont get max low unless you shorten the strut abit. KK why do you want double ply bags in the back? they are't needed? most live axle setups will have single Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 497 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I looked for a while trying to find just a set of bags, two like the left, two like the right for the corona. All the shops were like nah just bring the car to us, and pay 7k. So kind of lost interest. If I knew you could buy them like that I probably would have bagged it. So much more practical. /its cheating 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alistair 2,072 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Don't worry Alistair - I have contacts in the USA and I know of containers coming over on a semi regular basis (monthly it not moreso)The retail cost of bags is my sticking point.. I need 2 of each of these... Cam can you please check if part #70-2000 is valid and available from Firestone?? Is that one on the left able to wrap around a macpherson strut? Was going to ask, what's the go with converting macpherson to bag setup? I see there are whole strut swaps avaliable pre made or can buy sleeved weld on universal stz or are there easier options? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 497 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I know the corner that the dude in the s15 spun on / killed that kid. I'd be surprised if he was intentionally doing it. It was a shit rainy day and is not really a corner you'd manji for the sake of it.TV news article pissed me off, talking about mods to the car etc. A stock s15 turbo would have done the same thing, in fact probably harder to control sideways. That's why I don't jump to conclusions and flame people over the internet. Unless you were a witness you can't be sure enough to react like some people do. Especially from the media info... Don't worry Alistair - I have contacts in the USA and I know of containers coming over on a semi regular basis (monthly it not moreso)The retail cost of bags is my sticking point.. I need 2 of each of these... Cam can you please check if part #70-2000 is valid and available from Firestone?? Is that one on the left able to wrap around a macpherson strut? Was going to ask, what's the go with converting macpherson to bag setup? I see there are whole strut swaps avaliable pre made or can buy sleeved weld on universal stz or are there easier options? DIY would be so much better I reckon. The pre made ones will still need some sort of engineering to get to work anyway? Especially for your car. If you get someone to make the sleves and perches up for the bag they can get it in the right place the first time and save you shittonne. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spencer 22,905 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Yea all your shit will be custom alistair obviously, check out your strut because phill said they have a weird setup. But from the sounds it could be beneficial to a bag setup anyway Also stop quoting the same picture dweebs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fuel 1,949 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 yeah spring seat stays put and bearings are enclosed in the strut under the bottom spring perch, however you still need a bag with a hole in it for macpherson strut stz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobbyBreeze 367 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 How do bagged cars ride? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 497 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I have same question ^ And I'm guessing a lot better than a car with 5mm of travel on 550lb springs haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spencer 22,905 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Better than springs, and obviously they can compensate for load. Hence many luxury cars have them, they can also be setup pretty sweet for aggressive driving, but not really what most people on here are after them for Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikuni 616 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Century setup almost sounds easier/like they made it that way for the ones factory fitted with bags? It will mean the bag will stay stationary and not turn with the strut, which is only a good thing in my mind. Alistair, think along the lines of what people are doing to convert to custom coilovers on mcpherson strut, only replace coilover with bag setup. Very, very simple. I'm almost wondering whether it would be worth doing a bag setup with no compressor etc and just filling a large tank with a normal 240V compressor or running dive tanks and just changing every few months? Whats the go with the controllers? Can you get a very simple controller, solinoid and valve set that just does on bumps and cruise heights on all 4 corners? Probably wouldn't be too hard to just set it up on a single switch with a power relay I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikuni 616 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 How do bagged cars ride? Almost like riding on a cussion of air You just need shocks, the cars I have been in didn't have shocks and it was very bouncy and yuck. With shocks correctly valved it would be amazing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dolan 16,053 Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 setting them up with height control valves with a dump feature would be easiest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KKtrips 23,449 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Was going to ask, what's the go with converting macpherson to bag setup? I see there are whole strut swaps avaliable pre made or can buy sleeved weld on universal stz or are there easier options? DIY would be so much better I reckon. The pre made ones will still need some sort of engineering to get to work anyway? Especially for your car. If you get someone to make the sleves and perches up for the bag they can get it in the right place the first time and save you shittonne. Like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KKtrips 23,449 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I have read articles about cars with bags that say the performance is much better than springs.. you go round corners flatter and the car feels much more supple on the road.. Best of all worlds until you get to race spec vehicles where stiffness is important.. And obviously you need shocks - thats a given... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KKtrips 23,449 Posted October 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 I'm going to make mine with threaded sleeves on the front struts and the bag sitting on a platform - will make fine tuning that much easier.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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