Vintage Grumble Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 I know this has prolly been asked millions of times before on this site, but I need all the info I can get on making steelies wider. I know basicly how to do it, but just want to see how it can be done/best way to do it/any pics of it being done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock-Lee Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 send them to elite, pay the money, get wheels back. win? all they do is part the wheel in two and weld a new band in Needs to be done by a proper company and then certed to the car to be legal, but can easily get away with it without being certed. legally they can go to a max width band of 3" but they will band it to whatever size you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 since when do they have to be certified to be legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 I just brought a house, so sure as hell wont be paying anyone to do it, aint got no money I will get them parted and welded by someone who knows what they are doing, but im not sure the wheels I have here have enough lip on them to start with, as the bead is rite on the center pretty much, if ya know what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock-Lee Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 since when do they have to be certified to be legal? Im sure I read that on the lvv site but just had a look and im heaps wrong lol Yea widen it at the smallest dia' of the rim. that way you wont run into problems like mikuni did with fitting tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 "Yea widen it at the smallest dia' of the rim. that way you wont run into problems like mikuni did with fitting tyres" = the problem I got, the smallest dia of the rim is behind the center, so they would end up wide, with no dish and that = gay as fuck. Guess I need to find some diff rims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 dunno if this pic helps or not but will post it anyway. the original 4" wide viva rim didn't have much of a 'dish' either but they cut it real close to where the centre is welded to the rim and band it there. I reckon for the hassle involved just get Elite to do it. It cost me about $300 (including freight back up) all up to get the set of four widened 3" and at least I know they have been done properly (well.. apart from the one weld which leaked). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Guess I need to find some diff rims. Pretty much. Not all steels are suitable for widening. Other options, taking out the centre and widening the back. Have a look at a few steel wheels and you will know what I mean and on which ones it will work best on. Or, and this is pretty much the easiest way to get right, just find some other wide steel wheels (from a van or even some aftermarket steels, trailer wheels etc) for cheap, remove those centres and weld yours in. You can chose your offset, you won't have any tyre fitment issues and as long as you get the centre in right they will ballance up easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 dunno if this pic helps or not but will post it anyway. the original 4" wide viva rim didn't have much of a 'dish' either but they cut it real close to where the centre is welded to the rim and band it there. I reckon for the hassle involved just get Elite to do it. It cost me about $300 (including freight back up) all up to get the set of four widened 3" and at least I know they have been done properly (well.. apart from the one weld which leaked). Thanks heaps for that, looking at that pic, thats exactly how my ones will have to be done, cut rite next to the join of the center to rim, I have 3 diff sets here, and they would all have to be done like that, so good to know it can be done. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted April 1, 2009 Author Share Posted April 1, 2009 Is this how your's looked before they widened them? Thats what they would have to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUL8R Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 DO NOT need a cert, mine I simply had to bring proof of fabrication (elite receipt etc) to the first wof it went through, gets noted in the system and is all gravy from then onwards.. May have LVVA "rules" somewhere, but from memory only allowed to add up to 2.5", anything more than that and you have to go centerless rim to what ever width it is you're after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 maximum is 75mm on a 10" or bigger diameter rim, anything smaller and then 50mm max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSM Garage Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Has anyone got Elite to widen their rims and re-position the centre to the desired offset? Is it even possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 im pretty sure they can do that/do that. you can basically tell them how wide/what offset and they can do it. im pretty sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R100 Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 Just go see http://www.thesteelsurgeon.co.nz/index.html will cost you less than $200 to get a set of rims wideded however you like. He is in Manukau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSM Garage Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 ive known bout the steel surgeon, he use to widen our rims for our dirt track car. But was told he doesnt make em for road vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R100 Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 ive known bout the steel surgeon, he use to widen our rims for our dirt track car. But was told he doesnt make em for road vehicles. Im not sure ? He has widened wheels for me in the past and ive had no problems. Maybe he tells people that to save any hasel with legality problems. He does a good job i know that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSM Garage Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 ive known bout the steel surgeon, he use to widen our rims for our dirt track car. But was told he doesnt make em for road vehicles. Im not sure ? He has widened wheels for me in the past and ive had no problems. Maybe he tells people that to save any hasel with legality problems. He does a good job i know that much. I agree on his skill and ability. Probably just covering his ass if anything maybe. Alright, you sold me. Im using him to widen me wheels. Chur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cletus Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 www.bandedsteels.com found that this morning plenty of pics. now want wide steelies for my commonwhore wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave123456789 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hey guys, am looking around to widen my steels and called steel surgeon as they did my bros diff but they quoted 115 per wheel up to 2 1/2 inch max or 125 for a band bigger than 2 1/2. Is there anywhere cheaper? seems pretty steep paying $460. considering according to this thread it used to be $200 I also cant find factory wider steels as my stud pattern is a stink 4x140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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