keltik Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I know its not old school but its regarding getting max low - and this place seems good at that. Wondering how i can get my wagon back to low spec but whilst keeping the ride quality. Have used Tein coilovers in the past and they were really good - but a bit too bumpy. Travel isnt a problem since the rear arches have metric tonnes of room and im sure the front are accommodating. Have also driven a wagon with Cusco coilovers and they were really hard. Would love to just shorten the strut and run inserts BUT its one of those silly single piece twin tube Bilstein struts. Macpherson front struts with multi-link rear running coilover shocks. Roll center adjusters are easy to come by so not too worried about geometry. It handled well when low last time. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage Grumble Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 STOP BEING A FAG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I have no idea but would you run your Teins with softer springs and the shock rate tuned to full soft and slow to medium rebound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltik Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Didnt think of that and sold the teins.....oops. Had them on full soft all the time anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 yeah - silly billy.. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 to keep it cushy you have to retain decent shock travel (before it hits bumps/part of the car), so by lowering, you will somehow have to create extra travel if you want to keep the cushyness. obviusly you could settle for meduim cushyness with shorter travel, but you cant have shirt travel and the same cushyness otherwise you will just bottom out (in terms of shock travel) but yeh, just stop being a wuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltik Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yeah but my point is, even with it low - theres still enough travel in the shocks for a soft spring. I guess one solution would be a progressive wound spring but fuck knows where i'd get some made. The fronts are the only issue - the back is dead easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 so just get a soft spring.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Snells in Auckland are pretty clever when it comes to making springs - ring them with what you have and they should be able to recommend something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsspeed Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 What's on the front currently? bilstein macphersons? and springs are stock? If the shock itself has enough travel when low, then like beaver says a shorter spring with the same/simialr k value as full height stock springs should do it. (In my mind anyway). IE same stiffness as factory but shorter, (so they would be less stiff than cutties) UJ had a good link to a supplier of springs, or talk to someone like Snell's or equivialent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yea all you needed do with those tiens (Or any other adjustable coilover setup you buy) is figure out the spring rate and go to a softer srping, and keep the adjusters on the shocks on soft. Go with decent adjustables so you can drop the car and keep suspension travel, then just dial in the spring rates to suit. To soft and slammed and your car will be a piece of shit with passengers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltik Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 How do the euros do it? My old mans volvo had fuck all travel but had a sweet ride. Its like magic tbh. And BMW seem do be able to pull the same trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dell'orto Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Cut the strut towers and lift them 50mm. Slammed, but with full travel until you grate your sills away on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 How do the euros do it? Progressive rate springs that go from moderately firm, to very firm with a good quality shock suitably valved for the application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Exactly with a whole bunch of R&D and selecting the exact shocks and springs to suit the purpose/desired ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltik Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Well the shocks are fuckin' expensive Bilstein ones, valving is not an issue - its the progressive rate springs i need to suss out. Will try that Auckland place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 So they are full adjustable shocks? just because they were expensive doesn't mean they will work well with the springs you want to use. Also using a progressive lowering spring is not really the way to go all you are going to do is loosing travel. Get some adjustable coilovers, that adjust by winding the shock housing down into the mounting. Tien are known for being super firm so get something known to be softer (then the shock valving will better match your softer springs), you can then buy all sorts of progressive springs in common adjustable coilover sizes from kings etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltik Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 They arent adjustable units but can be revalved to suit different springs. If i could just get a pair of front coilovers i'd do it but everyone seems to want to sell me a full set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 low and cushy you want - well remove shocks - drill hole in the bottom of shock - remove all oil/gas/viscous fluids - refit shocks and roll just chopped EJ18 springs with no shock absorbing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltik Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Funny you should say that since the whole cushy ride thing started after i daily drove my EJ18 Legacy for 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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