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tup bought that G series gx71 GT trd diff for his gx71 1jzgte. he had a rebuilt std F lsd with escort center clutch plate in it before that.

that altezza diff pic above fit live axle fine. bought of TM for $500ish shipped. is actually an aftermarket kaaz 2way. fitted myself into live axle housing and works a dream.

the altezza torsen F series carrier is slightly wider.. but has a different bearing that comes out the same width as a std F diff. around 150mm from memory. so swap the torsen lsd with altezza side bearings and it fits fine. i have not got round to completing this but plenty of people have in aus in ma61's.

oh another thing on the std F series lsd. there are two types. the IRS and Live Axle versions are NOT the same. the irs version only work on one plate each side (crap!) whereas the live axle van diff use all 3 each side. the plates are different between them. yes you can swap the live axle plates across. im having hard time trying to source them through toyota at the moment as they don't recognise their own part numbers :rolleyes: and have now drawn up the tooth'd plate to remanufacture myself. apparently the escort english lsd diff has a usable plate similar in design to the F van lsd which is what tup got put into his rebuilt F irs lsd.

has anyone seen proof of an estima with an lsd? ive checked plenty incl supercharger one and yet to find one.

the van diff come in the 4wd cr30, yr30 and variations of the 30 series townace/masterace. they dont come in liteace van. also come in a toyota truck... can't remember which tho.. was like a ym60 chassis.

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usually 4.1 or 4.3 on altezza. my kaaz had a 4.55 but don't think it was a factory option.

3.9 most common in gx61 mark2, grande, chaser etc with IRS.

3.7 a bit harder to source. came in ma61 celica-supra. seen one in a supercharged tz estima van too.

ive seen a 3.5 in a non turbo ga70 supra.. one of the hardest to find.

estima are common as but almost always have 4.3.. theres a 4.1 estima at takanini pickas at the mo tho.

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1g-g.. Missed a g...160ps wouldnt have that much trouble bro esp seeing it was balanced out a tad with a w55, someone when ordering the car was probably like "I want to go 260kph easy down the wangan" and bam "crazy diff has been inserted in your brand new Toyota sir"

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Ive got 4.55 ratio floating around if anyone wants crazy accel lol, had 4.7 and that was a factory ratio, Im after 3.1 F series though Ive seen it in a Gx61 F series IRS

hey wasn't saying these ratio's don't exist.. was meaning didn't think it was a factory option in the altezza. that was what the lexus/altezza club guys were saying when i asked about it.

i've seen F series 3.5 - 4.77 in the rear of cars/vans.. and i'd imagine the hilux IFS come with F series crown/pinion in 4.9, 5.1 ratios etc so there's a fair few options available.

3.1 is a new one and rather distant to the nearest size up. the only 3.1 ratio i can find in the diff list is the 39 code so was it a F392? F372 exists for sure as does F362. seems alot of similar numbers that could've easily mixed up tho. then again ive yet to see a factory 1ggeu gx6#.

every rwd toyota nut should know these off memory...

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code=ratio

37 = 3.58

30 = 3.73

31 = 3.91

29 = 4.10

28 = 4.30

25 = 4.56

36 = 4.78

14 = 4.88

15 = 5.13

(rounded to 2 decimal places)

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hey sheepers.. i found some trd lsd pics. i think they're british.

this is a selective G series lsd

http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/TRD-Selecti ... upra-51645

which looks like same pic as a selective F series on that website.

http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/TRD-Selecti ... GA70-51643

this diff varies in operation to the 1.5/2 way below. this one lists a heap of older toyota's like ta63, ra63, aa63, cressida, mark2, crown, soarer, supra, altezza etc. i guess a new lsd does't come with side bearings which is why they list the associated part number. still puzzled about side shaft difference?

http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/TRD-2-Way-L ... tial-28697

but note how the side bearings and stub axles vary between the non lsd and lsd diffs. also the different bearings between certain models. so not all created equal.

looks like the side bearing needs to match the carrier fitted whether it be lsd or not. the 6mm removed from side axle i can understand.. as the non lsd toyota axle have a bit of extra metal on the end... what gets me is the 'exclusive drive shaft required' and 'exclusive side gear shaft required'... the driveshaft i would assume is a different bolt pattern as seen on commercial diffs tend to be 85pcd instead of 78. maybe the non lsd differs from lsd models? meh redrill it if thats the case. the side gear axle is what i'd be interested to know about.. is there a different spline size? or does the 1gfe altezza/supra just have completely different internals or something?

gx61, gx71, ta63, ma61 etc side gear shaft difference.. spline is same.. length varies

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anything F series.

MA61 is the most popular. but they are not common, that "def rattle" was selling one a while back that was fucked, he still wanted moonbeams for it.

they are around, you just have to keep your eye out for them.

i guess youd pay 400-500 for a good one??

spence, what do you reckon?

what you talking about? i havent sold any f series lsds for ages... and only sold good units.

Are you thinking about the locker i sold? in which case it definately didnt go for "moonbeams"

the lsd i sold about 4 years ago i sold for $400.

thanks

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ok.. i'm gonna dig up an old thread here.

would someone who's swapped an aftermarket altezza lsd into an f-series live-axle be able to tell me what side bearings i need to use?

i've got a complete altezza irs nugget which has had some sort of clutch-type lsd installed into it. i was hoping to be able to use the altezza bearings as they're probably at least 20 years younger that the ones that are currently in my live-axle diffhead...

if it turns out that i have to use side-bearings specific to the live-axle head, does anyone know the part numbers?

also i've read that you need to give your axles a bit of a trim if you're installing an altezza torsen lsd into a live-axle, but is this necessary when using the clutch-type diffs?

tia :)

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thanks heaps for the info guys.. crazy, i could've sworn i read elsewhere that the clutch lsd's were usually sweet with the non-lsd axles and it was the factory lsd that needed them shortened slightly due to the torsen centre being all full of gears n stuff :) ah well getting that done is no biggy..

cheers!

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