Rhyscar Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 this might be a bit different for OS but i know there are some clever cookies on here and plenty of people with heaps of experience of building race cars so thought i'd get some e-pinions. so the old man runs in ss2000 in a ae82 fxgt. its running a blacktop 4age with C56 gearbox. one thing we are thinking about is how to get the gearbox ratios a bit better for racing as they are currently quite tall, with no options for changing final drive or gearset (as far as we know) so interested to hear a few thoughts on a couple of ideas i've had - motorbike gearbox - added bonus of sequential shifting, lots of effort to rig up though axles made etc. - Quaife - do they make a standard FWD box with diff?, just need to make driveshafts and bellhousing - Gearsets - does anyone know who makes them for toyota fwd boxes? TRD ones aren't in production anymore.. so what are peoples thoughts? has anyone seen any of this stuff done before and was it good/bad? just testing the water nothing will probably happen for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3spct Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 What about a Corrolla 6 speed or Celica 6 speed? Ive been meaning to look at one for a while, if its made in the same factory as a P12 Primera 6 speed, then you can get a good helical lsd and they use the same gearset as a evo 6 speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Yeah - Just get a C160 6 speed from a BZR Levin. I had one at one stage. Sold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 with blacktop c56 you already have the best factory option. lowest diff ratio (4.3) and evenly spaced gears. c52 ratios arent as good, and use the same final drive. the 6 speed box maybe a little better, but aren't as strong as the 5 speed, should be fine unless abusing it though. doubt will be that much of an improvement gearing wise. possible to drop tyre diameter at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaN Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I drove the 2001 celica 6spd, that would be ideal ratios for racing. 1st was way lower than the black top 1st. 3rd was AWESOME, great power around town. Didnt buy the car, the better half thought it was ugly and the supercharger whine was 'annoying' .. her words .. not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJZ Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 My old boss races an FXGT in the targa, he is running a 20v with a 6 speed box, he said it was perfect for what they were trying to do, I think he said it topped out at 200Ks in 6th at the redline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyscar Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 6 speeds are only margainly better than the c56 ratio's wise and you trade off reliability. looked at c60's a bit but not really enough of an improvement to justify it as you can't change the final drive at all in any of the fwd toyota boxes. running smaller tyres is not really doable as limited on tyre sizings for 15's and can't go any smaller to fit over brakes. keep the suggestions coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtdvl Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Why not go to someone like Gear Cutting Services and get a new final drive/5th gear made? http://www.gearcutting.co.nz/ Depending on how much power your making and where your powerband is, you could look at plotting the gears and rpm drops and then figure out what would suit you the best. Have a look at a gear calculator like: http://www.gearboxman.co.uk/inforatios.html Quaife do make gearsets which you can purchase without the housings (atleast for the pugs they do) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Ass Dragger Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 this might be a bit different for OS but i know there are some clever cookies on here and plenty of people with heaps of experience of building race cars so thought i'd get some e-pinions. so the old man runs in ss2000 in a ae82 fxgt. its running a blacktop 4age with C56 gearbox. one thing we are thinking about is how to get the gearbox ratios a bit better for racing as they are currently quite tall, with no options for changing final drive or gearset (as far as we know) so interested to hear a few thoughts on a couple of ideas i've had - motorbike gearbox - added bonus of sequential shifting, lots of effort to rig up though axles made etc. - Quaife - do they make a standard FWD box with diff?, just need to make driveshafts and bellhousing - Gearsets - does anyone know who makes them for toyota fwd boxes? TRD ones aren't in production anymore.. so what are peoples thoughts? has anyone seen any of this stuff done before and was it good/bad? just testing the water nothing will probably happen for a while. Are you on Toyspeed? Im pretty sure that Grant Te Reo* spelling has a custom close ratio box in his ae82 race car Might be an idea to send him a PM link to his build thread below http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=58554 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 He just scored a box with a TRD gearset, good dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Ass Dragger Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 He just scored a box with a TRD gearset, good dude Ah ok sweet, I knew somthing was up as I rember posting that his box was gold and that was the reason he didn't want to move away from A series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyscar Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 yeah just been up at his place this weekend rebuilding his car. he scored that through some good contacts and no, there aren't any more of them floating around. one option i found was convert to a c60 box (2zz 6 speed) as C-one do a gearset for them. although haven't really been able to find much info on them and c60 gearboxes are hard to come by anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 That could be the best option, find a gearbox that is well supported with a aftermarket gearset and suits your application (ie fits in the car) and cut and weld the bellhousing to suit. Ive seen cut welded bellhousings a few times, its not pretty but works just fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyscar Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 That could be the best option, find a gearbox that is well supported with a aftermarket gearset and suits your application (ie fits in the car) and cut and weld the bellhousing to suit. Ive seen cut welded bellhousings a few times, its not pretty but works just fine! even better; bellhousings are bolt up as far as i can tell. 2zz and have the same clutch as well i'm currently using a 2zz trd clutch in my 4ag atm and it works fine! only problem would be figuring out driveshafts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsspeed Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Being a cXX box you might be able to just use your current driveshafts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Well if the driveshaft outputs sit in the correct-ish place the driveshafts are easy as shit, just get them made to the correct sizes. Seems like you have solved your problem, it may cost abit of $$ but is better than the other options you listed unless you are super rich and want to buy a quaife sequentail 6-speed? I think the basic FWD one starts at 10k with no bellhousing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyscar Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 I think the basic FWD one starts at 10k with no bellhousing nah not worth spending that kind of coin on a shitty fwd corolla... haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtdvl Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Not just quaife you can get other brands like x-trax, hollinger, tractive, sadev-tm, maktrak, ricardo, .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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