felixx Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Hi guys, sorry for the LOOONG description, but I thought if you were enough of a GC to read this I better give you all the info. Car 1967 anglia 105e (drums all round) The car has been off the road for 10 years or so. 2 years ago I put in new rear wheel cylinders. I was planning to put in front ones too, but for lots of reasons (pregnant wife, no $$, etc) I didnt. I drained the brake lines as I thought new fluid all the way thru would be good. (I know I could have just pumped new fluid as I bled the brakes, but I wasnt thinking too clear at the time). A few weeks ago I got her running and then went to flush the brake lines out and the pedal went to the floor and stayed there. I took the master cyl out and pumped it a few times and it began to work fine, Put it back in and pump pump pump no fluid moving but the pedal was going up and down with very little resistance I disconnected each of the brake lines from the 4 way splitter (no servo) and found that this created a lotof pedal resistance the first time I pushed the pedal. I then flushed the lines thoroughly ( a stubby of brake fluid per wheel) and bled them. Brakes seemed fine. Took her for a drive to the garage for fresh fuel and air in her tyres and they were good as gold. Firm pedal, able to lock the wheels up at 60kmh etc. Went to move car out of the garage today and pedal went to the floor. No fluid in master cylinder. What is my next step? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 I don't really understand what your saying here, but if all the fluid disappears, checking everything for leaks is the first and obvious task. Do you know how to bleed brakes properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 The fluid must be somewhere... look for puddles / drums filled with fluid?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2JZKP Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 yes if theres no fluid in m/cyl it has to be somewhere, if when its all filled up and bled nicely you still have no brakes it may be the m/cyl itself bypassing the seals when there is resistance in the line ie your shoes contacting the drums, normally when this happens the brakes will bleed ok still as with the bleed nipple open there is sweet fkall resistance in the lines so m/cyl will work normal but as soon as you close it itl bypass may not be your problem but id check where your fluid has gone, also if you drained the lines and left empty moisture may have gotten into lines and rusted them from the inside out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoBilly Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 check the carpet inside the car could be stuffed seal in the m/cylinder and leaking inside the car so theres no puddles on the ground outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 Front brakes appear fine after dissasembly Will look at the rears during the week Will order a complete set of wheel cylinders and a new master cylinder once I get back into the black with the bank ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unclejake Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 If you find a wheel cylinder has been leaking then you will need to clean everything well on the backing plate, and then take the drum outside, splash a bit of meths in it, and set it on fire. This will burn off the brakefluid that will have soaked into the pores of the drum friction surface. Replaceing the shoes on the offending corner is also near to mandatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Is the master cylinder resevoir empty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 ^ It was, I refilled it and left the car for a week, like I did last time and it did not empty... I will check the rears tomorrow and report back.. I suspect the master but I am no mechanic, I have my workshop manual and a clever chap next door so should be ok. if not I will pay the man the $$ and let him do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 OK - next step.. Check for puddles under ther car - if nothing then pop the wheels and drums off and check if fluid has leaked around the cylinders/callipers. If nothing there then pop the fitting out of your brake booster and stick somethin like rolled up paper down to the bottom and then withdraw it to check for evidence of fluids - this will see if all the fluid has drained into the booster.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unclejake Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 105E Anglia auw. Boosters are for fags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 ah yes - I should have read the first post better - LOL my bad.. whip off drums and check for evidence of leakage - then check the floor around your pedals for a wetspot.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 I think the passengers side rear is leaking.. well i will order a new cylinder kit off enford and be done with it. Bloody pain in the ass I have driven exactly 3 miles on the last new cylinder (not a kit!) that I put in. However it was about 5 years ago i put it in I did notice some tiny bubbles in master cylinder, i guess that is fucked too then cheers for the pointers team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 rears are fine, clean as can be, dry as a bone.. I think it is the master cylinder, has to be. New kit ordered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKtrips Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 how do the fronts look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 fronts are good, I bled them all and gave em a jolly good pumping to build up the pressure and make any 'failure' fail, no fluid in any of the brakes, however lots of tiny bubbles began to appear in the resevoir of the master and I could not get the pedal to go 'hard' it was soft soft soft medium, bubbles, soft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Did you bleed the brakes starting from the furthest from master? If you've got air anywhere into the system bleed them from scratch working from the furthest to closest, making sure the master never runs dry in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 28, 2011 Author Share Posted May 28, 2011 I did that, she seemed ok, until the master drained dry after sitting in the shed for a week.. bled em again, then checked the brakes... I have ordered a new master anyway... see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Buy a master cylinder. They are the same as trailer ones and don't cost much at all. Ring BNT, You will need to quote the bore size when you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Cheers for the tip mate.. $45 delivered. Repco did not even have one in NZ. Legendary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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