dattohoe Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 one answer to all these questions, kingspring lowering springs=crap, rolling your guards with a bat=bad, $50 per guard=pretty dam good, coilover suspension=real good, 4or5 link rear end to loose those crappy leaf springs and then get coilovers on the rear aswell!=ultra good! you can get coilover kits and springs and shock inserts of whatever size,rating etc etc blah blah to suit any strut, ive got custom coilovers to suit my datsun for the front and found a company that makes somthing ultra low still with travel for the back. and occasionally if you know what your talking about you can get struts or whatever out of new cars, and if there are already coilover struts available for those new cars then they are guna fit your car also!! i wouldnt even consider kings if you are looking for ultra low, superlows pffft! what is that like 2"?!?! my dats lowered like 5-6" inches at the front muhahaha no offence just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Sometimes its not easy at all to change to coilover in oldschool cars, many will new shit welded in and cert and what not.. just cut those shocks and compress the springs to nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 5, 2003 Author Share Posted November 5, 2003 thats what i was thinkin of doin....chopping the shock by 2" getting the coils compressed then hack an extra coil off.weld tabs to the strut base to captivate the spring...all good and certable...the rear will just have the lovvel leafs with blocks....and if its not low enuf ill flip the damn leaves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozin Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 you can't fuck around with the spring seat without needing a cert. LTSA website states that "aftermarket coils must fit into unmodified OE spring seats" and this means no cutting or welding. Trust me, I went through all of this stuff with a fine toothed comb at my last WOF, I had a massive dispute with the WOF Testing station about my suspension mods, some of you may have read my thread on NZPC about it. I would not do a half assed job on suspension, that is what is keeping your car on the ground. I don't know much about Escorts, but do they have inserts in the front struts? If so, get hold of some shortened shock inserts, and get springs custom made to suit. Cutting coils off springs is not a good idea, especially when they are compressed. This will fuck up the spring rates totally. As an added note, the LTSA site states that heated and cut springs are not acceptable. If your going to lower a car, do it properly... it's only going to cause more grief than its worth if ya do a half assed job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 ltsa are faggots.....i spoke to a certifier...he said you can chop the fark out of your springs if you want... as long as you stil have 25mm of travel before it hits the bumpstops and springs are captive...he told me you can chop springs if you weld tabs on the sides to bend over the spring.......you can have your car sittin 25mm off the ground as long as its certed... those were the exact words from the certifier..... ill do whatever the fark i wanna do......i never let peeps tell me what to do....ive had chopt compressed springs in a fxgt i had.......fukt spring rates?pft.....yeah right.... everyone to thier own opinion i guess.....as long as its legal which in my case it is so bye bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 just depends on what your gonna do with the car i think. if its just for cruising/general driving, then a hardout susp. job isnt really neede i dont think. but if your car is gonna be used for tarmac rallies, track days and just general hard driving, then a good setup is definately in order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozin Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 well Mr. Shizzl, your certifier that you spoke to obviously isn't worth a pinch of shit, giving you advice like that. Sure if he certifies it it will be legal, but if you want to get away without a cert, uh uh.... hello pink sticker! But do what you want.... the general attitude of some people to modifying cars on this forum is pretty fucking scary if ya ask me. Do it once do it properly. But tell it to the WOF man, or the police man, whoever gets you first. As Alfalfa said, a hardout setup is not necessary... but a well engineered, legal and safe one is! Have fun bouncing uncontrollably around the place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 i actually spoke to 2 different certifiers...they both said the same thing...... bouncing around uncontrollably only happens when youve got no suspension travel and your on the bumpstops....thats why you put in either kings or have your springs compressed so theyr harder.....then you shorten your shock so the shock doesnt top out like most do.... most legally lowered cars ive been in(kings only) you go around a corner or over the gutter part of a driveway and you can hear the spring moving around....... id like to get coilovers for the front but im not gonna pay $800+ just for the front....do you think those coilover kits for civics are legal?no,cos theyr never seated proporly........except the ones that use keeper springs..... ive been in the motorsport industry for about 3yrs,and have seen every dodgy job,every good set-up.......i know what works and what doesnt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozin Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I realise that it is legal to shorten shocks to fit springs, I have shorter shocks to accomodate my springs. Acually the front setup is technically illegal because the strut has been modified to accept an adjustable Bilstein insert. Modifying the seats is the no-no however. A WOF officer will pick it up and gove ya shit about it. The spring has to remain in contact with the OE springs seats at top and bottom. Thats mostly what I'm trying to say. And I have never been a fan of cut or heated springs, simply because they are A) bouncier than a properly made lowering spring and they're weaker and sag quickly... I know this from experience. Since you have an Escort, have you looked at any European brands of spring (if there's any available?) I put a set of Spax lowered coils in my car, they dropped it 50mm MORE than the what Kings claimed was a "superlow" spring. And coilovers are also not the be all and end all of suspension setups. A set of progressive lowering springs, matched to a set of compression and rebound adjustable shocks will give you all the adjustment of a coilover, just without the height adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 9, 2003 Author Share Posted November 9, 2003 when i sat cut i only mean by 1/2-1 coil not in half.....if you cut them so that they pop off the base then your just a fagg...but ive never had probs with spring seating... who sells spax coils?kings are to stiff i thought,dont slam near as much as compressed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pies Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 the general attitude of some people to modifying cars on this forum is pretty fucking scary if ya ask me. Do it once do it properly. amen to that! y the hell would u spend so much money on sounds/engine mods/body work and not put the money in to holding your car on the ground? its like those knob skins that put overly powerful motors in their cars without uppgrading the brakes. if i ever get rear ended by someone like that, they gonna get a quick intro to my alluminium baseball bat Do what u want, but do it properly. if not for your safety, then for the safety of other road users! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgeport Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 ive done it all no springs, cut springs, compressed spirings and professional springs cuts, were an improvement on standard but bottoming out with passenger compressed, vast improvement from cuts not as bumpy and less scrape professionals, obviously were the best handeled like was on rails with new shortened shockies and dobersons springs like pies sed do it once do it right why waste time on shit when lowering springs are cheap compressed springs are ok better than cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 11, 2003 Author Share Posted November 11, 2003 you know the worst thing is when you read the paper(yeah i can read)....and you see...illegal boyracer driving uncertified rotary car looses wheel on motorway causing chaos.... ive heard of a few people crashing from going round a corner and thiwer spring drops off the side of the strut....thats because they werent held in by tabs,or mainly cos they cut too much off the coils.....i cut one coil off the front of my ute,it slammed nicely,the springs wouldnt even turn in the seats when it was jacked up...i wouldnt dare to cut off more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bridge Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 yeah, my brothers friend was driving somewhere and he'd cut his springs and his wheel came off as he was driving. im not sure he noticed but it was funny. so yeah i say cut them. if it doesn't work at least it will be funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 11, 2003 Author Share Posted November 11, 2003 not too funny if your the one that gets taken out by the uncontrollable car or the guy who scrapes you off the medium barrier.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bridge Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 not too funny if your the one that gets taken out by the uncontrollable car or the guy who scrapes you off the medium barrier.... touche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rollaboy Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 "ill do whatever the fark i wanna do......i never let peeps tell me what to do....ive had chopt compressed springs in a fxgt i had.......fukt spring rates?pft.....yeah right.... " if u gunna do wateva u want to do and neva let peps tell u wat to do then y da fark did u ask us for our help???????????? dont get king springs they smoke the cock.there so shit its not even funny its all good a certifier being alll tuff and shit saying u can have ur car like that but then u crash and kill sum lil kid cos ur suspension was dodgy,and ull go to jail 4 10 years and ur homo certifier will proly go as well 4 doin a shit job it always falls back on who eva gives u a warent like that and who certified it so id say they talk shit cos they no if u crash and kill sum1 they will proly get dun harder than u thru the courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 14, 2003 Author Share Posted November 14, 2003 yeah but they can always say "that suspension set up wasnt like that when i certed it"...... think about it.....you take your car for wof with chopped springs....dude says "no cert no wof",so you put some standard springs in it....take it back,he gives you a wof.....you go home and put the chopped springs in it...... responsibility solely lies with the owner of the vehicle,thats what i think anyway,unless its a prob with rust or brakes or seatbelts...... i know,ive been in that situation where i swapt my springs for a wof....i cant be bothered cutting corners now ive had too many fines n shit... y i asked for help?cos i see so many escorts sitting on their arse and i wanna know how they got them so damn low....having ppl tell you what to do and being givin advise is 2 totaly different things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big tymer Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 tubb it c section chassis run 13 inch wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzl Posted November 15, 2003 Author Share Posted November 15, 2003 haha yeah for sure big tymer...but i dont have my ute(rx3ute) no more......esky dont have a "chassis" like a ute........ if i did still have my ute itd have a irs lsd rear end with coilovers and dropped spindles and coilovers on the front.... but even with the coils and leaves that were in it it was still lower than quest4s ute ground0...strange ae... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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