JoKer Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 So did a bit more of this on the weekend (Image from last year) and now I have half the forward speeds in the white car, my original 1300 4 speed, which is now behind the 1600 TC 90hp donk options for 5 speeds? other than the usual Sierra type 9 (almost bolt in) http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/kitcar/kb.php?aid=160 Quote Ford Type 9 5 speed gearbox overview The Ford Type 9 gearbox is Fords first 5 speed rear wheel drive gearbox. Based on the 4 speed Type E gearbox it is a popular 5 speed replacement for kit car builders. Most conveniently come with separate bell housings to can be swapped around easily. As is common with most Ford gearboxes it has a 1 inch diameter 23 spline input shaft. The main gear housing is cast iron with an alloy tail casing. Common applications Capri 1.6, 2.0 1983 onwards Capri 2.8 1982 onwards Sierra 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 wont be needing cert and have an Auto Bell housing ready to go to maybe get something fab'ed up etc W55 over kill or fancy sequential all off the cards but happy to daydream a little here RWD Toyota or something serviceable / future proof MX5 / are becoming unobtainable these days right? or just stick to the tried & tested Costworth cog swapper please discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locost_bryan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Suzuki Carry van 5-speed - same as Jimny 4wd trans, but with rwd extension housing instead of transfer box. Can handle the power of the G13B and M16 twin-cam engines, should handle Avenger power. Light and compact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threeonthetree Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Might be best to try and figure out your ideal ratios and then find a gearbox that is close to that. While they may have an extra gear, some gearboxes will often have ratios that really suck, resulting in massive gaps between gears and leaving you off your 35bhp powerband. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locost_bryan Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, Threeonthetree said: Might be best to try and figure out your ideal ratios and then find a gearbox that is close to that. While they may have an extra gear, some gearboxes will often have ratios that really suck, resulting in massive gaps between gears and leaving you off your 35bhp powerband. Wasn't that a common problem with Ford gearboxes, a stump pulling 1st then a massive gap to 2nd. Mum's Mk2 1300 Cortina 4-speed had that problem. iirc Sierra's are the same? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Threeonthetree said: resulting in massive gaps between gears and leaving you off your 35bhp powerband bruh 90 British HP's On 09/05/2011 at 09:48, JoKer said: if you were at nats you know what this can do http://dynopro.co.nz/ is for dis car au 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 Just now, locost_bryan said: a stump pulling 1st then a massive gap to 2nd wouldn't be too much of an issue tbh "limmie" bash all day (if it had one) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Do you actually need 5 gears? Other than missing a few gears currently, would another 4spd be OK? (Serious question) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 good question : Aiming for track work in the next 5 years like the RS cup (same but differnt to the 2k cup) or back onto the Gravels or dumb stuff like drift days I do have a few more 40+ year old spares but that's where their weakness is (age is not an advantage like a Couger), have had it up to 200kph on Stands with the oem Gearbox top / 4th Gear pull etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 (and yep just because it can doesn't mean it will) and no wont know till I get current box out so no hurry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin'joe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 if it isn't demon-tweaked, then T-50 may be better than the scavenger 4-speed? J160 altezza box for fast and furious rowing through 6 gears ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 lol (its deamon tweaked compared to a stock avenger but no not SR20 / 1uz hell fire spitting) Price / availability? would be neat, we;re allowed to dream out-loud here, I dont think an extra 2 speeds would be any good / the down low torque (or lack of) would make me want to kill myself I fear, its worse than bad Turbo Lag below 4k RPM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 44 minutes ago, smokin'joe said: T-50 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_T_transmission Ratios: First Gear: 3.587:1 Second Gear: 2.022:1 Third Gear: 1.384:1 Fourth Gear: 1.00:1 Fifth Gear: 0.861:1 & $200 (currently) on the Tard seems to be going rate https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/toyota/gear-boxes/auction-1445804131.htm will investigate further! (splines & stuff may just make it too hard & spendy but as above clearly I am day-dreaming here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin'joe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 W-50 has same output as avenger/escort BW box, and has a round front mounting face spigot that is similar too. the W box from coronas etc were a BW copy/sourced unit and usually very cheap. can measure front diameter in morning if you want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 you have my attention not trying to reinvent the wheel here but you;re talking my language Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 39 minutes ago, smokin'joe said: W-50 has same output as avenger/escort BW box https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_W_transmission#W50 W50[edit] Often called the "steel-case" transmission for its steel shell, in contrast to the later W-series transmissions' aluminium case. This transmission is mostly associated with early Celicas of the 1970s. It is also shorter from the bellhousing face to the transmission mount than the later aluminium case W-series transmissions, despite using the same mount. Ratios: First Gear: 3.287:1 Second Gear: 2.043:1 Third Gear: 1.394:1 Fourth Gear: 1.00:1 Fifth Gear: 0.853:1 Reverse: -4.039:1 Applications: 1973–1981 Toyota Celica 1974–1981 Toyota Carina 1973–1981 Toyota Corona 1979–1981 Toyota Supra 1976–1982 Toyota Hilux (RWD only) & not as cheap on the tard currently $500 https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/parts-other-makes/gear-boxes/auction-1459451396.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin'joe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 $500 seems a bit steep. wasn't long ago $200-250 was the norm. i'll have nosey later and get measurements and see what i still have. i want to keep at least one W-50, but god knows how many are in basement. a month ago i found a stash of T-50's i forgot about and a K-50 with 4AG bell housing that i thought i had sold many years ago !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin'joe Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/toyota/gear-boxes/auction-1458086429.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoKer Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 Hah nice yeah I know at least one Toyota that works in Miles's Rally Avenger just waiting to see what his specifics are this is his other toy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Also search Celica 5speed, since the chev barrys don't know the actual box code. They'll usually have some hory adapter for a 308 on them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowzer Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 This cunt's living in a fantasy world though https://touch.trademe.co.nz/motors/listing/view/1457429015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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