d.p.n.s Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 morning all im thinking about making some tramp bars for my ecort van. i know how im going to make them the only question i have is... where the bar hits the spring should it be touching it at all times or should there be a wee bit of a gap between rubber and spring. if you know what i mean dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKAZ Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 have seen them on speedway cars linked solid with rose joints. but for road use id have 4-5mm clearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy one Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Dan these are the ones i made for my wagon I made the rubber stoppers adjustable by drilling a hole & welding a nut on then brought some bump stops from canterbury transport spares just down the road for us .. I foun d it better to be touching but it pulled way better skids if you wound them of the spring a bit.. Heres a couple of pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.p.n.s Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 thanks guys ill call in and get some bump stops today. dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hey Nub here, what happens to your suspension travel? by the looks of things bolted to springs/diff and then touches the chasis rails? what happens when the diff trys to move up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy one Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hey Nub here, what happens to your suspension travel? by the looks of things bolted to springs/diff and then touches the chasis rails? what happens when the diff trys to move up? still travels fine mate just pivots at end with the bump stops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I thought they were supposed to point backwards, not forwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I thought they were supposed to point backwards, not forwards? I thought so to as that would stop the diff winding up on the springs... still travels fine mate just pivots at end with the bump stops How does it pivot? does it cause the diff to wind/roll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemk1 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 yeah if they are under the diff they should face backwards. If on top of diff they go forwards. Have you looked on turbosport there is a few good pics of tramp bars in escorts, they are all mounted on top of the diff and the other end to a bracket next to the front spring hanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 i could just be real tired , buut if you launching forward the pinion is gonna try and slam the crown down which with force front of the diff up .. so tramp bars under the diff facing forwrd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegoose Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 how much does a diff really twist the springs ive never really thought about that (noobish to cars just moved over from bikes in the last 9mnths ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 how much does a diff really twist the springs ive never really thought about that(noobish to cars just moved over from bikes in the last 9mnths ) Lots, and lots. Especially in lower powered cars that have been given big motors where the suspension was never designed for 3 times the power. Sir Newton figured this out a loong time ago. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you take this pic for example The wheel is turned anti clock wise if you are looking at the back. There for the diff is forced clockwise and thats why the tramp bars there are fine. If the bars were on the top they would still have to point forward. The only way they can point backwards is if a, you do skids in reverse, or b, they are held some how to the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegoose Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 true, best crack my welder up again then ive seen somewhere people doing a fair bit of fabrication and 'floating' there leafs is there any real gain for effort or is it alot of work for not much benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy one Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 My problem was the snout of the diff would try twisting upwards with dumping the clutch which is why i put the bars to the front & they work mint stopped my issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCADTA Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 this is very helpful indeed. warrants/certs not a problem with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthy one Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 this is very helpful indeed. warrants/certs not a problem with them? No problem at all mate I never even certed them cert guy said not to worry about it & never been questioned at wof time ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk1Mad Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Found these on Turbosport this morning. Im thinking of making up some in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Alot of people go through the floor with em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 how much does a diff really twist the springs ive never really thought about that(noobish to cars just moved over from bikes in the last 9mnths ) Lots, and lots. Especially in lower powered cars that have been given big motors where the suspension was never designed for 3 times the power. Sir Newton figured this out a loong time ago. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you take this pic for example The wheel is turned anti clock wise if you are looking at the back. There for the diff is forced clockwise and thats why the tramp bars there are fine. If the bars were on the top they would still have to point forward. The only way they can point backwards is if a, you do skids in reverse, or b, they are held some how to the body. To quote Heinlein "I am only an egg" I'm looking at the springs on a escort, and see that the front of the leaf the springs are linked directly to the body, whereas the rear is only loosely linked by a shackle. So, to me the rear part of the springs need controlling more than the front. Like I say, I have absolutely no experience. Please let me know where I'm wrong... I see that there's a rotational component to the stresses, but still one end of the spring is more controlled than the other. Cheers, Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegoose Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 noobs anonymous ha nah from what im gathering and makes complete sence now its been pointed out to me turning the wheel (in the pic-anti clock wise) puts a clockwise force on the diff/leafs twisting them in a clockwise motion the tramp bars limit the twist by moving with the diff and hitting the stops damn it is actually harder to explain than i though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.