mk2_escort Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 a mate of mine can sell me a 4age 16v and gbox 4 real cheap and was considering a conversion in2 the escort. im after any ideas on complications etc that i might come accross... i know il have 2 get hold hold of a t50 box or similar aswell as a ae86 rear end which will b tricky 2 get hold of. i think converting it 2 carbs mite b easier but the guy i know who can do is it pretty good with computers and ecus etc. bassically if u no any1 thats done it or got any comments on it, help me out. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toucan Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Efi would require new fuel lines and tank. You'd have to change the sump from front bowl to rear bowl to clear the cross member. Obviously engine mounts/crossmember will need to be modified to fit, same deal with the gearbox ones. Exhaust is on the same side so wont require to much modification. Custom throttle cable. Custom speedo cable? Break booster will most likely need to go? Modified driveshaft no doubt. Then you'd most likely require upgraded brakes for a cert. Havent done it myself but those are a few things that come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 You won't need 86 rear. Just modify the driveshaft to go onto your standard diff to begin with. Sure you will need to upgrade to something to handle the power eventually but it can be wait. An when you do it can be whatever is easiest for you, as 86 stuff is near impossible to find and won't go in easily anyway. You need rear wheel drive exhaust manifold as the fwd one dumps straight onto where the mount bolts up for rwd, and you'll also need rwd intake (off an ae86 or modify one to suit - could get pricey) as the fwd one will have the intake facing straight towards your firewall! I think Escorta mentioned everything else. A twin sidedraft setup would be pretty cool. You can score all sorts of carbs on 4age manifolds if you hunt around. good luck man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 There are brand new twin 40 manifolds for 4ages on trademe. If you go twin 40 you need to loose the brake booster. The standard diff can hold a 4age with twin 40s fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toucan Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 What kind of 16v is it? And what would you be paying for it? A low kms 20v can be picked up for about $750 with ecu and loom these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draizuh Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Should sell me it for my AE85 Conversion. For a T50, RWD TVIS Manifold, Drive shaft and Engine mounts... youd be looking at about 1500 right there. Maybe thats a bit steep. but the T50 with A Series bellhousing goes for about 600 these days, a genuine AE86 TVIS Manifold goes for about 250. the driveshaft can be an AE85 item, still abut 50 bucks. and an AE85/86 Crossmember with mounts can be around 250 too.. If the Block isnt a genuine AE86 RWD block you will also need a RWD water pump (Off a 3AU or anyother RWD A Series engine) and the odd Pulley made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 there's sump differences, and also flywheels differences as well..... fwd sumps aren't baffled where as the rwd ones are, which stops oil surging issues etc. pretty easy to baffle a fwd sump but yuh if you're gonna go to the effort of 4ageing an escy you might as well go 4agze bottom end with 20v head and turbo, doesn't cost fuck all more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 You might as well just buy the one I have ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leebo3 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Money might help aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 yeah money would hard help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYKOV6 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 you can get away using your stock fuel tank/lines etc by mounting the surge tank in the engine bay so u only need to have a short return line not the full length of the car. with only a facet or similar pump filling the surge tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defective Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 if you're gonna go to the effort of 4ageing an escy you might as well go 4agze bottom end eeer, i thought they were the same thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_escort Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 you can put 4agze internals in the 20v block but not the whole 4agze block and a 20v head on it coz it dont match up. he can get the engine and box 4 round 400 he said. and he thinks its a gen 2 16v from a ae92 or fxgt. so box wont be needed. dont no how the fuc id find a t50 box and im gesing theyd cost a tad. also comes with loom aswell and know some1 that works that shit so mite have a chat 2 him bout organising a conversion project 4 him long term wise, like wot atro had done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draizuh Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 you can put 4agze internals in the 20v block but not the whole 4agze block and a 20v head on it coz it dont match up. he can get the engine and box 4 round 400 he said. and he thinks its a gen 2 16v from a ae92 or fxgt. so box wont be needed. dont no how the fuc id find a t50 box and im gesing theyd cost a tad. also comes with loom aswell and know some1 that works that shit so mite have a chat 2 him bout organising a conversion project 4 him long term wise, like wot atro had done. You dont just need a T50. You can also use K50's out of AE85's (Cheaper but not quite as strong obviously) or you can get a Niteparts W5* to A Series bellhousing and get a W55 or W58 or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 you can put 4agze internals in the 20v block but not the whole 4agze block and a 20v head on it coz it dont match up. he can get the engine and box 4 round 400 he said. and he thinks its a gen 2 16v from a ae92 or fxgt. so box wont be needed. dont no how the fuc id find a t50 box and im gesing theyd cost a tad. also comes with loom aswell and know some1 that works that shit so mite have a chat 2 him bout organising a conversion project 4 him long term wise, like wot atro had done. 4agze pistons are all thats different bottom end wise. and thy're only like $400 a set brand new, rods etc are the same. this is what i'd do for sure. such a cheap engine that'll make big power numbers for what it is. if you're gonna go to the effort, which it's a fairly sizeable task to chuck in an escort, then why not spend a little extra and get something mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gaz Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Yeah I wouldnt want a tank of gas up front. How can I tell if a gbox is a t50 or what. Its in the car so would have to look under it to tell. Any numbers etc on it that give it away. Its a 5 speed and nice and tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_escort Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 yea the k50 sounds like a good idea. do they match up bellhousings and flywheel etc? i think the first priority would be 2 get it in there first and then start playing around with it. i rang the guy yesterday and left a message but he hasnt called me back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool lancer Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 t50s spilt long ways and the bellhousing comes off and thanks to intial d there worth there weight in gold k50s have the bellhousing as part of the front gearbox section- doesnt come off only a k50 from a ae85 or a 3a dx will fit buy the time youve blown and reaplaced a few k50s you might as well of got a t50 to start off with im doin the 4age kp60 thing now to be honest i wouldnt do it again id go the ca18det or 3s-fe/gte way, wont cost bugger all more but youl have a beter set up my 2c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2_escort Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 the other option is ditch the escort and pick up a dx rolla as they go 4 real cheap these days. im guessing it would make the whole conversion that much easier as its keeping it toyota in a toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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