Ke36 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 once again theres no point in gsr struts:D u cant get replacement parts for them and i think the starion brakes are better plus you get sweet camber with starion struts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Ke36: Yeah, you wont need to worry about the pitman/idler arms, since your running the 1600cc x-member Been told that the Ex pitman arm (LEFT hand side) hits on the Sigma x-member, so I dummied up the x-member and pitman arm in my Ex and found it only "just" nicks the edge of the x-member (be very easy to grind a "small" grove into the x-member to run it) I havent decide on what pitman/idler arms I'm going to run at this stage Replacement parts for GSR-Sigma struts? Would you just re-fit a new insert and buy or, get some lowered coils made? Pretty sure the brakes are the same vented rotors as the Starion (and can get new rotors for them) Do you still have the GSR-Ex struts from "rear drive" KEEN for pics of your setup, with the Starion struts Lowlancer: Yeah I'd be keen to see if he still has them? Do you know the difference between GSR-Ex, and GSR-Sigma struts? I "thought" all GSR and Starion (turbo spec miztys) had the same "bigger" size shafts and brakes, it was just the mounting points (x2/x3 bolt knuckles, and top hats) that were different GSR-Ex would be ideal, but I'm sure GSR-Sigma could work too The Starion struts "seem" to have way too much neg camber for road use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 you will have to use entire sigma steering setup wont u, pitman and idler included cos ur using sigma xmember that means everything, lower control arms, knuckles, bottom of struts (which is something i hadnt even thought of and probly is not a good thing as your castor will be more rearward than before) has now been moved roughly 15mm backwards therefore if you keep the longer pitman and idler it will throw out the steering geometry? you follow? 1600cc lancer xmemeber definately seems the best way to me (im thinking/finding this as i go/right now as were working through this ), if you use entire sigma subframe like in one of your pics then this would sort everything (including being able to use larger sigma sway bar) except for the strut bottoms ending up mounting slighlty further back (may be a non issue anyway but the more castor the better!) nah ex lancers we got in nz have different discs than other models overseas trust me i spent ages trying to find them!!searched through every disc catalogue etc starions and overseas ex's (uk etc) got the larger discs which we can get but they dont fit our turbo exs i ended up selling them for a huge loss gsr sigma struts are identical to starion, technically its what i have in my car as the came out of a sigma proZac had, only difference is the top hats but you gotta change them for ex anyways just go the stuff youve got man itl be sweet! id just find out about the slightly rearward mounting point for the struts your going through everything i was going through a few months back, atleast ive done most of it now so can help out as much as i can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 SO MANY ?'s ha ha! (I'll try answer them all) yeah, IF I use the Sigma pitman, I'll have to use the Sigma idler and same for Ex bits (gota use matching arms) But wont have to use "everything" Sigma... Have to use the Starion knuckles (for the Starion struts) Sigma and Starion are the "same" lower arms (the model Sigma I'm using anyway) Few things I dont quite understand tho... Why cant you use the Sigma sway bar? Esp. if you are using the Sigma/Starion lower arms? The mounting points for the sway bar links are in the same place on the lower arms and the factory mounting bolt holes are in every 1200cc/1600cc/Sigma (ALL same) (Not saying your wrong) But, where did you hear that using the Sigma X-member mounts everything 15mm further back? Have found a lot of things are just "I've heard this and that" so if someone hasnt "done it" themselves before, I try and do it myself to see (to be totally sure) I think GSR-Sigma have different bolt joint knuckles to Starion 1st thing I need to do is get the x-member and Starion struts "in" and see where everything is, (thats why I'd be REAL KEEN to see some of your pics ALREADY done) Then work out, see the camber, been told anywhere from 3 deg to 9 deg negative? Suss the steering parts out, dummy it all up and get an alignment back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 ok to start 15mm is a rough guesstimation its around that figure but i dont no 100% sigma engine xmember info comes from isnowi and also i tried mounting a sigma sway bar in my car with 1600cc ex lancer engine xmember, it was a no go the sway bar was about 15mm too long on the sides (if you have your original sway bar and your sigma one both out of the car compare them you will seel what i mean), this is beacuase the sigma xemeber sits 15mm further back, meaning inturn the lower control arms which obviously mount parrallel to the xmeber are also 15mm further back and the sway bar mounts go perpindicular upwards! why do you think your ex steering setup which once fitted fine now just hits the sigma xmember? once again its the fact the xmemeber sits about 15mm rearward you will have to use sigma ilder and pitman arm as well as the longer tierods and spacer is what im saying not if you use one you will have to use the other.i dont think you have a choice there, once again you may get away with it but your steering arm geometry may not be quite right, i cant comment on what effect that would have if any i dont know steering systems well enough think GSR-Sigma have different bolt joint knuckles to Starion nah definately 3 bolt, the jap spec (nz models are jap spec, ozzie ones arent!) gsr sigma is basically a 4 door starion n/a sigmas have 2 bolt knuckles Have found a lot of things are just "I've heard this and that" so if someone hasnt "done it" themselves before, I try and do it myself to see (to be totally sure) yea mate i know exactly what your saying thats why im trying to spew forth as much info as i can to help you, i was in your boots with even less info than youve got!its also 10000 times harder over the internet if we were closer we could just nut it out in person, its so hard to explain when were just typing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 sweet cheers for getting back to me man, everything you say seems to make sence, but, you cant put a Sigma pitman arm on an Ex (different splines and diamaiter steering box) but every Ex with Sigma x-member that I've read about seems to change the Ex idler arm (hits x-member) to the Sigma one but doesnt (or dont say) about changing the pitman arm? Wouldnt have thought you could run one of each, eg: Sigma idler, Ex pitman (when using Sigma x-member) Like I said the Ex idler only "just" nicks the Sigma x-member, so cant "shape" x-member and run Ex ilder or go with Sigma one? End of the day people have done "it" before (Sigma x-member in Ex) and they have "worked" (been able to drive them) I'm not too worried, I'll get it all in there and see what works best (found slight difference with the Sigma draglink compared to the Ex also) Yeah typing this much is a cunt! Ha Ha! (thanks for the help) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 ok yea wasnt aware the splaines were different went and saw my car today now has the longer tierod and spacer fitted, guy said i may have got away with the shorter stuff but it works sweet with the longer stuff so thats whats in it cos i had it and it was brand new no more toe problems etc anyways so good to know thats all sorted heres some shitty cellphone pics of my camber, guy reckons its about 1.5 degrees certainly isnt excessive and he reckons its guna be mint (still hasnt had a whell alignment) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 cheers for the pics man, Good to see Starion struts dont give "too" much negative camber after all So just to double check, your using: - 1600cc engine x-member - Sigma/Starion lower arms - Starion struts - Ex top hats - Starion strut kncukles (x2 bolt) - Sigma/Starion ball joints (x4 bolt in) - Stock 1200cc steering componnets (except for) - Sigma/Starion (RIGHT) inner tie rod (longer) - Sigma/Starion (LEFT) "spacer tube" turnknuckle (longer) Hopefully you can just say "YES" and not write it all out again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Ass Dragger Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Was also thinking re power make sure cam's are well dailed in There is no reason ur car will not see 300kw WILL ALL BE IN THE TUNE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Which EX are you talking about? Cos triggers has a SOHC n/a carby 4G63, which is what this thread is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 i think hes talking about spanners chevron, but rong topic rofls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0tary15 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 man you should have kept that original wot a waste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Fair enough... (each to their own) Everythings "bolt in" tho, and I reckon once I'm finished most people wont even know the motor has been changed etc It'l just be tidyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 man you should have kept that original wot a waste hahah are you serious?? its a 1200cc ex lancer not a fuckin r100 or something its not like hes put i body kit and shit on it engine looks good mate u thought about getting a cam regrind in it? and maybe somesort of carb upgrade, would be pretty quick with it and have a nice sound too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Body kit? mmm.... Ha Ha! Guess everyone has their own tastes and opions about modifiying, dont think I've "wasted" it tho? Yeah man, check my "build up" page got a cam already, and the head/valves clean up and have got a 32/36 Weber, but might end up buying a "brand new" one with manual choke, and re-jetted for my engine (cost to re-kit, clean up etc the old one is $$$) Then suss out some xtractors (custom?) and exhaust, have really decided yet, got LOTS of other things to do in the mean time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggo Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 If your after extractors custom made, PM Eke_zetec off this site, he does some quality work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 man you should have kept that original wot a waste bahaha what a tard. Looking awesome dude. Will have to see this, esp since its in palmy ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 hahaha my bad missed the bit about the cam and the even have a pic showing the specs and yea definately get some extractors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSKing Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 pretty much brand new engine ftmfw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Jesus Christ, cleanest EX in NZ Pretty much exactly what I want, cept different induction Keep it up mate, inspirational! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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