cute wee gem Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 Yeah the g200 is coming out but the elec ign fucked out at the nats. one of the wires rubbed on the rotor and then touched that funny little yellow wire in the dizzy and must have shorted out or some shit/fucked it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cute wee gem Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 Is it G200? Runner length impt as. Longer they are, more torque downlow essentially, but all dependent on situation to situation Yuh, thats why I left that out of the question cause then it'd start a whole topic thats been talked about already heaps Mike-e, x20xev is what I'm on about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lowlancer Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Without factoring in runner length, it's hard to say boe. Bike carb set ups are generally well known for excellent response but that's coming from the mouths/websites of people who do them for a living Problem is, depends on what you consider low revs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I've heard people saying that carbs offer better throttle responce. I guess this comes from the fact that in injected setups the map or tps needs to see a signal, then send it to the ecu, which fires the injectors. I can't really see that taking very long myself though. Electronics is speedy stuff. Might be something different though. ke20lorolla, if you want to go carbed then use a c20xe and run the camira shit on it because they still have a dizzy in the back of the head. You'll just ned to ditch heater. That will be way easier and suitable for what you want. The engines are around, they are just difficult to find. I know of one in napier in an Astra GTE that the guy offered to me for $1500. I told another guy about it but perhaps he won't be interested - hasn't said anything about it in afew weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cute wee gem Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 Yeah man hook me up with the details. I wanted to use one but gave up since they're so damn hard to find I don't mind having no heater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sexychevette Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 bloody opel engines! just go rotang cos pirates drive rotary t cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Opel motors are meeeaaaan man You RotaARRRReeee Pirtates just don't understand. Sweet man, PM me your email addy and I'll send you email details /pictures etc. Its a fucken cool car I reckon but everyone else hates them lol.. apparantly they handle like a sloppy pirate ship or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-e Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Electronics is speedy stuff. hard carbs better response is absolute bollocks, carbs are a compromise at best (not knocking anything of course etc). motec reads its sensors 2400 times a second. brads idea sounds easiest. although depending on if the stock ecu will still flick out a spark signal missing a whole bunch of input sensors you could still use the stock system, would be very trial and error though, some ecus wont spit a spark out without some/all inputs. have done it before on a toyota ecu on this engine minus the DLI part but worked none the less and is of the same principal (still uses CAS etc).. ^after that pic (which was running the previous engines dist with the cam gear from a 4ag welded on running in reverse) I ditched that ignition setup and went to a 4ag efi ignition only setup. had a 4ag ecu with only igniton and ignition confirmation signals. worked, but not nicely. was spitting codes because of lack of sensors and running a poos ign advance map it turned out to be a whole lot easier to do this in the end.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 massive lols a s.u on that hsit bei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 SU's ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 lol ^ Yeah, see that happen alot. Are you sure that change didn't have anything to do with those FILTHY SU's? Opel shit deffinately does not run without sensors connected. Heaps of dudes have tried but as soon as you unplug AFM, TPS and a couple of other ones I forget the computer looses track of what its doing and makes a gay arse ignition curve or possibly even muddles it around lol. The bosch or whatever ecu is a piece of arse and you can't do anything with it. That why you need to go OS on that shit an run with old dizzy etc from the early carbed family 2 engines. I gave up on looking into this stuff when I chose x20xev so I can't remember the exact details of what to use but they are around somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Fuck I'm confused. Why doesn't he just ditch all standard ecu etc. Get late model engine with standalone CAS and no dizzy as means of refernce Use aftermarket ignition only computer that senses off the CAS and uses coilpacks And carbs..... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-e Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 ^fuck thats yuck. nice new aws twin cam engine, mean Bike something or rather carbs, and untunable igniton computer ign maps arent generic. trying to get away from 2 step advance arent we? reality is would be 18934530x better off with a MS at the least. unless im missing the point and theres some cheap aftermarket ignition controllers that are tunable. i doubt that though.. google megajolt light jr edit actually if you could pick one of those up cheap looks average. made by people who made ms as well.. 16 load points ftlols though - so rough. if they're user definable could change the resolution so 4 around town points and 4 giving shit points i suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Ahhh yes I see So the only way of running bike carbs (or similar) without a dizzy is to get an MS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-e Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 well it would run off the ign only comp but its a rough as guts way of doing it. to put it into perspective a megajolt has a total of 16 load points, a LEM G3 has 440 load points. it would run yes, but not anywhere near its full potential on crap aftermarket ign controllers (just incase theres a good one floating around i havent seen which is entirely possible). megasquirt ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Gah gay This I di not realise. Thank fuck for Mike-e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Yeah thats the issue we had. Get a shitty $300-400 MSD or similar ignition system, which I don't know much about but apparantly they are no good. Spend $800 on a spark only link or similar ecu. Or spend $1200 on a LEM G3 and have more tunability and the option of injection at a later stage, which I went with at an early stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 16 points seems weird because the original megasquirt ran on an 8*8 table which means 64 points (which is plenty) megajolt etc is old hash anyway. The megasquirt extra code is where its at has 16*16 tables (256 points) and all the provision for different pick ups on different cars. I doubt that jaycar one could read half the factory senders the extra code does. With the exchange rate at the moment MS kits go for $250-$300NZ so still pretty cheap but you gotta be keen to learn something Also the carbs having better response/power what a load crap. formula atlantic 4ages went from carbs to injection in the later years and got similar power at way less revs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 This guy could sell this for more I reckon. It has done quite high k's though but the year makes it likely to be the early coscast (cosworth) head, which people seem to prefer. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 517105.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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