NicT Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 So ive boned out my car, sorta by accident as the Craftz 6kg drift springs in the rear of my car has made it much lower. I notice now that the car is a bit bouncy/skatey and want to get a softer valved rear shock. At the moment i am running Hilux front shocks in the back but this is over valved to be in the rear of a 900kg car. Any suggestions on a short eye/stud shock? I am currently on the lookout for trd adjustable AE86 rears as well if anyone sees some pop up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Can you measure up what you need? I might have something suitable that I was using in the Chevette and Vectra that I can't use anymore and might be suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dell'orto Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Maybe KE70 wagon? They're shorter, and would be reasonably softly valved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Usually having a car over damped doesn't result in bouncing or skateyness. Are your Hilux ones any good? We ran HD 4wd shocks in the back of a BMW with soft springs and it felt like you were accelerating into a cushion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Testament Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 ^ yeah I would think bouncyness would more likely be due to stiff springs that are under damped rather than overdamped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicT Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Shocks are relatively new, maybe 1500km old? I thought softer valving would allow the spring to work more as a harder setup would make the rear more ridgid causing the rear wheels to leave the ground over bumps making the rear hop about, but the harder spring rate would mean that the spring would deform less under similar loads. Or am i way off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Pretty much / sorta / kinda depends. Most road shocks will only really work on rebound, hopping around will only happen if you have super tight bump or if the shock is overpowered by the spring. Are you sure it isn't hitting the bump stops or bottoming out the shocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Hopping round can be either shock or spring but most of the time it's the spring rate. If you're running a very hard spring you pretty much just have to deal with it as no amount of shock can fix it if there is hardly any travel. Edit, oops, yeah what Tom said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicT Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Pretty much / sorta / kinda depends. Most road shocks will only really work on rebound, hopping around will only happen if you have super tight bump or if the shock is overpowered by the spring. Are you sure it isn't hitting the bump stops or bottoming out the shocks? Not hitting bump stops, prpberly a good 50 - 60mm travel before it contacts them. It isnt bad to be honest, i just havent driven a car of its nature in a while and my current daily is a luxurious couch that floats over bumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Is it sweet when you give it a thrash around corners? If so I'd just leave it. Simon - heavy springs can be overcome by a good shock. Richies old Torneo rode nicely while being slammed on very hard springs... But that said, 6kg will always feel hard in the back of an AE no matter what. I only run 5's in the race car and it's pretty bloody firm in the rear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah for sure. But if you drove your race car down Tremaine Ave it would be bumpy as no matter how many shocks you put in it haha Richies car was great though. Looked like it drive nice from behind. I took my car for a drive with 10's front and 8's in rear so my idea of a hard spring may be a bit skewed. May as well of had the wheels welded to the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah for sure. But if you drove your race car down Tremaine Ave it would be bumpy as no matter how many shocks you put in it haha Yeah, agreed. Point was that 6kg must feel pretty rugged in the back of an AE on the street, so it's probably a condition that can't be overcome. With 6kg in the back a softer shock will likely make it feel even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpr Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 tried hilux shocks in the starlet at one stage. they were horrible. did similar to what you explained. maybe the combo of the hard springs stiff shocks has done it. they would be way off dampering wise i would think, coming from the front of a hilux. probably have way to much bump dampering to be combine with 6kg spring, in rear of a corolla 6kg drives fine on the road if shocks aren't super stiff. with the damper turned down on my bc's it actually drives fairly nice. 8/6kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Can you measure up what you need? I might have something suitable that I was using in the Chevette and Vectra that I can't use anymore and might be suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicT Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 tried hilux shocks in the starlet at one stage. they were horrible. did similar to what you explained. maybe the combo of the hard springs stiff shocks has done it. they would be way off dampering wise i would think, coming from the front of a hilux. probably have way to much bump dampering to be combine with 6kg spring, in rear of a corolla 6kg drives fine on the road if shocks aren't super stiff. with the damper turned down on my bc's it actually drives fairly nice. 8/6kg My reason for asking was going for a ride in a MX5 with similar spring rates to my AE and much much lower to the ground rode quite nice down the same stretch of road im having issues with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truenotch Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Remember MX5's are double wishbone and can take a higher spring rate due to extra leverage etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr dori Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Yea prolly just some shitty unmatched set up. Try get some adjustable bump/rebound shocks for the rear so you have some tune-abilty. TBH its always gana be hard to horey up some set up and hope it handles nice. You might be able to buy a BC rear shock separate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ae85.6 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have trd 6kg springs with trd ajd 86 shocks in mine and is pretty stiff and bouncy if on shitty roads, highways or nice smooth roads is fine whether cruising or when you are trying to drive hard. Light car, heavy spring, bad roads and shock may matter less. That old guide I think is still on dori which listed a few, many just used normal 86 one. Think as Dell'orto mentioned ke70 wagon were another common and I think there was a pugeot and camaro common one too although would think camaro would be sim to hilux as prob weighs in a bit Used the crown for towing rolla yet ? Old cresta was mean couch daily cruisers and if a 1j tows sweet could maybe sell ute and get another... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicT Posted May 9, 2012 Author Share Posted May 9, 2012 Yea prolly just some shitty unmatched set up. Try get some adjustable bump/rebound shocks for the rear so you have some tune-abilty. TBH its always gana be hard to horey up some set up and hope it handles nice. You might be able to buy a BC rear shock separate? Wasnt intending to hori something up, was just how parts got upgraded as i went along. Now with the new rear springs i need new rear shocks. Was looking at options. For now ive been putting up with it and the more i drive the car, the less i care. Handles mean, just a tad skatey over bumpy as hell road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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