E Class A (ATV Reg) FAIL SAGA : why not to try etc.

[JoKer]

[JoKer]

update : Expired 23rd Nov (last week)

so did the good thing went to post shop to top up rego : error in the system! has bean Canceled! must see MTA agent

trip down the road and they tell me I was canceled in august and a letter was sent to #46 on my Street, WTF I am #12 grrrrrrrrr

just rang and spoke to Nice lady Lauren regarding this

Apparently was picked up by an investigation/Audit (as some said may happen I suspect it was due to my skiting and a mate in the 'court' sstem doing a lil' digging)

and letter was sent basically saying (she had a copy) :

Hillman dont make ATV's according to their system, and I did ask if I can scratch build an ATV and rego it : Lauren could not see why not

I need to send proof within 10 days or rego will be canceled etc.

proof includes : sales receipts or now they will be happy if I send photo's that it an off road vehicle/take it to Testing station so they can take photo's etc

bit stink cos I like my plate (ppl think it's a personalised plate!!)

A8GBR after all it is Great British!

I know its a pain in the arse and boring you lot but until I am satisfied and to date has not got me in trouble will continue to seek legality in this current direction

I dont mind the hassle, just the wrong address part irk's me the most! 12 does not look like 46 even in my spider-scrawl hand writing!

"quad bike at the beach" is still my slogan, its no different

[JoKer]

ok just spoke to a nice lady again (Brenda, one of the 'Seniors') : email was received : reply is being considered/penned/typed

no matter what as it was originally Manufactured as a car it must be Licensed as a Passenger car not matter what modifications are made/seats removed

the fact I pointed out, it meets ALL requirements of an ATV apparently do not even come into consideration according to the big wig at LTNZ (Adrian)

I am not satisfied but stonewalled on phone (she kept repeating her self)

and don't have energy for a fight right now

least I have an answer ; of sorts

I call bullshit

disclaimer : I am pedantic and contradicative but still dont see what's wrong with rego as ATV for the purpose..... fuck it I'll just walk

[KKtrips]

You call bullshit regarding the fact that your Avenger is not an ATV???

You crazy man... it is and never will meet the description of an ATV - all you are going to do is make it harder for legit ATV bikes to be registered because they will tighten the rules..

Cool one nice...

[keltik]

Yeah Jared, your a cock!

But yeah, nah, think its about time to drop this one and get an authority card and a wof like a normal person.

[JoKer]

How off road do you want me to take it : there's a trek from Eketahuna to the beach with no use of public roads

challenge?

I know its a car shape, quads come in 2wd

edit : quads are more dangerous on roads/beaches than my Mode of transport

(random fact I made up / feel is true to help justify my beliefs)

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/facts ... icles.html

What is an ATV?

All terrain vehicles (ATVs) are special purpose vehicles that are principally designed for off-road use.

They have three or more wheels, an engine capacity exceeding 50 ml and a gross weight of less than 1,000 kilograms (gross weight - the entire weight of the ATV, plus the load it is carrying, including any accessories or equipment attached). ATVs are commonly referred to as quad bikes, or sometimes four-wheelers.

There are more than 100,000 ATVs in New Zealand, mostly used on farms.

ATV still key word : All terrain vehicles

[keltik]

Principally designed for off road use, not modified for off road use. Theres the kicker.

[JoKer]

neither is it currently designed for on road use

but I hear ya

[JoKer]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbi ... 522560.htm

good ol trademe ^^^ Rego as car or ATV?

yep I'm doing my own head in as much as yours playing with myself

or (pushing it as you may not as I do)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/business-farmi ... 087990.htm suspect its over a Ton in gross mind you as well as first link

EDIT : And in no way am I trying to rego as a FARM vehicle : you don't have to own a farm to own a ATV

least I am trying to rego it up ront and not call it a Mobile Machinery or E Class B (farm)

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/facts ... ories.html

What is exempt Class A?

Exempt Class A vehicles are exempt from registration fees and the vehicle licence portion of the licensing fee. You still have to register the vehicle and pay for other fees and levies included in the total licensing fee. For example, you still have to pay for the appropriate ACC levy, registration plates and labels. For cars and other light vehicles exempt Class A status was a saving of $43.50 per annum, for motorcycles a saving of $24.50 and for vintage cars and motorcycles a saving of $19.50.

[KKtrips]

I think you need to pay attention to this line - "ATVs are commonly referred to as quad bikes"

Where does the Avenger come under quad bike - as in a 4 wheeled motorcycle...

[JoKer]

define a quad bike (I sense an E-beating coming)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/quads-atvs/auction-417522560.htm

ATV? yes or no

pic if you cant view

I am using LTNZ's very on description of : under a ton,3 or more wheels and 50cc+ as a definition of an ATV qualifying for this class, I am also not intending to exceed the restrictions of more than 3km from my Private residence to a private road (yes my workshops is on a private road)

I admit this is not the intention of the Class (quads basically)

I do intend to try and pay them money for ACC levies for an extra vehicle I dont really need to have 'on the road'

If I were a richer man I would seek legal advice, I already owe lawyer/s nearly 5k from earlier staff disagreements

[keltik]

I already owe lawyer/s nearly 5k from earlier staff disagreements

Did your worker try to claim he wasnt a quad bike?

[Spencer]

All terrain vehicles (ATVs) are special purpose vehicles that are principally designed for off-road use.

Surely this line means its case closed, your car was designed as a road going passenger car, how ever you use it or have modified it doesn't really matter

[JoKer]

strangely yes (Keltik LOL)

Surely this line means its case closed, your car was designed as a road going passenger car, how ever you use it or have modified it doesn't really matter

yep that's the LTNZ line on it

which I cant push any further really : any discussion here is a moot point

does the fact it DOES meet ATV requirements not count for anything in common sense (also admit I lack a lot of that too)

[xsspeed]

It's not the intent of the clause, and as they are the licencing authority its their intent that matters, not your or anyone's interpretation.

[JoKer]

chur : yea that's the plain English version I think I was seeking

silly interpretation

side note http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbi ... 884315.htm 620 KG I don't interpret as a quad bike

I'll ease up from now..... I know I cant drive Rally car to work for any reason

yes I do have OEM rego IW3719 still on hold but aint pushing it any further (minor fact which is probably MORE legally wrong than this entire thread

[xsspeed]

No perhaps not a quad bike, but it is an all terrain vehicle

I'm not having a go btw, just explaining the way I see it (essentially they are closing whatever loop hole you were trying to open)

[JoKer]

see my ninja edit above (hit f5) but yea I think ya feeling my point

no matter how cool I look driving Avenger to work via back streets I wont be purchasing one of them ATV's just to prove a point as Original idea was my Maori/Scottish heritage trying to save a quid

[civic_zr]

Pretty much if you have an accident with it on A class no insurance companys are going to touch anything. And you will probably get in more trouble.

And I mean if you write off a jag / power pole (they are expensive) especially if their insurance won't pay cos your car is not legal.

Get on ya bike.

Class A. I've run it on 15 od cars in last 5 years. Never had one problem. Had accident and it wasn't an issue, had another mate right his car off, ami didn't give a shit. Looking up on police computers it doesn't show the specific registration class AFAIK, also what class rego you have has nothing to do with getting a wof or not. With normal rego you need to get the WOF first, wof inspector can't fail you for having no rego, or any other kind of rego.

But yes I think you *could* get rolled on a technicality, but the chances are slim.

[JoKer]

Good morning Jared

I apologise for the delay in responding.

Because your vehicle was primarily manufactured as a Passenger Car/Van, it does not meet the requirements to be registered as an ATV, and as such cannot be registered as one.

While I note that you have made many alterations to the vehicle for off road racing, its core design remains that of a passenger car.

I note that you have recently called our Contact Centre to discuss registering this vehicle. to get the best advice on what options you have available for this vehicle, I would recommend that you put the vehicle on a trailer and take it to a Transport Service Deliver Agent (TSDA). TSDA's are specialists who can look at your vehicle in a greater depth than emailed images allow and they can discuss the best registration options with you. As the definition of a public road covers access road like the one shown in the photos you have sent us, it is important to register this vehicle correctly

I have checked where your nearest TSDA are located and unfortunately the nearest agents are in either Palmerston North or Hastings. Considering the current closure of the Manawatu Gorge, the agent at VTNZ Hastings, (701 Orchard Road) might be the most approachable.

If you have any more questions regarding this matter, please feel free to call our contact centre on 0800 108 809.

yours sincerely

__________________________________________________________

Adrian F

email received today

feel free to lock or Flame away

I feel like replying to say thanks (nicely)for the courteous reply as I bet he deals with idiots like me every day

proper explanation helps rather than a flat "no" and clears up the grey areas of interpretations : main key point from the email is defining my workshop as being on an access road not a private road (even thou I own it apparently)

stupid laws, right now I am researching Defamation law if anyone has spare time (Act of 1992 comes up in google)

Avenger will not be Rego'd / driven on open road in near future (maybe to Wheels with Attitude in Feb)

Transport Service Deliver Agent (TSDA)

LOL thats what they are this month!

Admittedly I got a tad scared seeing an email from "Enforcement" in the inbox!