Josh Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 Well I got a mate to turn over the the crank pulley with a socket and i plugged up a spark plug hole with a finger tight and then waited till you feel it pushing and when you take your finger out a whole lot of air burst out. Seems logical enough to work out the compression stroke? I could actually feel one of the valves pushing against my finger to while it was in there. eke_zetec_RWD, the ecu etc bit seems a bit beyond my know how tbh. May have to take it to a auto sparky and get him to sort it out if it's possibly something to do with the ecu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 dnt go auto sparky, go to a tuning shop that does dyno tuning. and yea what you have done with your finger will work. cam timing all sweet tho?? and got firing order right? 1342 in a clockwise on the cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 Don't have a tuning shop here in Blenheim unfortunatly, however the guy here at the auto sparkys is really onto it with computers etc for basic tuning etc. Unsure about the cam timing.. Yea just checked the firing order and that's correct as well, It's so damn close and I want to start it myself rather than a shop have to do it EDIT, check the firing order and it was 1-4-3-2, so two round the wrong way, enough to stop it starting? Must try it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 yea that cud/will stop it starting. also clean plugs as prob fauled from tryn to start. soo keen for it to go for ya 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 swapped leads over and tried with a battery out of my old mans car (capri stays at parents garage atm). Didn't clean the plugs though. It didn't start again Thing is, it's being tried on battery's with mint charge, but it's failing to turn over that hard, it's like it's really tight or something. It gives to average turns overs then it sort of stops then it starts turning over again but sounds like it's really struggling to do so and I know these battery's are all good charge wise to hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esky 73 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 starter all good? earths and battery terminals clean and well connected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 clean plugs, infact buy new ones. ngk ap8fs. check the power leads are big enough, when cranking check voltage accross battery positive and engine earth. must be over 8 volts. more is better. did you check timing with timing light? sounds too far advanced if doin that. set it with a light. at crankn speed just set to 8 to 10 btdc for a start so it will go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eke_zetec_RWD Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 sorted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Na not sorted, really pissed off. Hopefully going to get the whizz round that knows about links etc. That'll be in a couple weeks when I get back to town from work though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vvega Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 swapped leads over and tried with a battery out of my old mans car (capri stays at parents garage atm). Didn't clean the plugs though. It didn't start again Thing is, it's being tried on battery's with mint charge, but it's failing to turn over that hard, it's like it's really tight or something. It gives to average turns overs then it sort of stops then it starts turning over again but sounds like it's really struggling to do so and I know these battery's are all good charge wise to hmm. youve fucked your starter didnt clean you plugs and youll prolly find the volt drop is making the link drop out if you want help...follow the sugestions cause these guys are trying to help you .. and your not helping yourself like with the fpr problem .. the first post would have told everyone what was wrong ....shame you didnt do it fault finding is a series of eliminations.... if you miss one you compramise every other dependant test just some advice bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 Yea no shit mate. I've literally done them all now and I still can't get it. Hoping it's just something to do with the computer that's any easy fix. It'll go, just not yet. Appreciate all the help you guys have givin and I got more out of it than when I began but I'm think I'm getting someone to have a look at it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vvega Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 so you have checked the volt drop/what voltage your ecu is getting and replaced the starter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forced Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 , but it's failing to turn over that hard, it's like it's really tight or something. It gives to average turns overs then it sort of stops then it starts turning over again but sounds like it's really struggling to do so and I know these battery's are all good charge wise to hmm. Over advanced ignition timing will cause that. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'd bet there is nothing wrong with that ECU man. Links won't run properly if a) the battery is a bit flat, they hate having a flatish battery. bad earths. You can eliminate both of these common problems easily by making sure the battery is up to snuff and making the best damn earth you can. Big bolt through the guard with a big fat washer against bare metal. having the leads back to front will definately stop it starting and what forced said ^ above with the advance timing. It's usually the simplest of mistakes, like my V8, we spent ages fucking around changing things and didling with the computer etc only to find out that the firing order was wrong I reckon it's probably a timing issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtailfred Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 You can eliminate both of these common problems easily by making sure the battery is up to snuffand making the best damn earth you can. Agreed! ^ good advice. Big bolt through the guard with a big fat washer against bare metal. Disagreed! The ECU should only be grounded to two places : 1) The block/head 2) The battery post Not anywhere else. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismo.capri Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Na not sorted, really pissed off. Hopefully going to get the whizz round that knows about links etc. That'll be in a couple weeks when I get back to town from work though. Don't fuk with the settings as it tuned to a 2L. If nothing in the ECU has been changed the problem wont be at the ECU. If you do feel the need to fuk with them make sure you right down all the settings first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismo.capri Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 , but it's failing to turn over that hard, it's like it's really tight or something. It gives to average turns overs then it sort of stops then it starts turning over again but sounds like it's really struggling to do so and I know these battery's are all good charge wise to hmm. Over advanced ignition timing will cause that. Steve I was thinking the same. Josh, this will get the timing close to spot on. 1) get the engine to TDC and make sure the pointer on the cam backing plate is pointing to the dot on the head. 2) Take the dizzy cap off and check what post on the cap the rotor is pointing to. That post needs to have the plug lead going to #1 cyl 3) Confirm that the firing order is 1342 going clockwise around the dizzy cap. 4) Turn the carnk so that the timing mark is lined up to either 8 or 10 degrees. 5) With the ignition on run gently move the dizzy anti clockwise then move it clockwise untill you hear the relay click. Stop moving it as soon as you hear it click. This is how I setup a fresh 2L and they fire right up if you do it corret because the base timing has been set to 8 or 10 degrees. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Big bolt through the guard with a big fat washer against bare metal. Disagreed! The ECU should only be grounded to two places : 1) The block/head 2) The battery post Not anywhere else. Ever. hmmm interesting? Why is that? Chris from Wirelink (formally Link) told me that Links need to have equal earths.. so that each sensor has a similar earth to that of the ecu. Apparently, the latest Links now have earths running out to each sensor to make sure this happens. I've got all my earths coming off my earthing bolts through the guards, I have one on each side one to the heads one to the block. If I ran the ecu back to the neg side of the battery it would be different to the earths on the ecu sensors which I have been well advised not to do. In anycase it works sweet and all my ecu's have been done like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Didn't realise there was more posts here. Sweet cheers nismo capri for those intructions, I'll give it a crack this weekend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 if your starter's stuffed, can you tow it instead? No voltage drop then!! Also will give time to get good clean fuel through as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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