lancer misfit Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Gidday. I'm looking to upgrade the front brakes in my '76 lancer and was wondering if anyone knew of an obvious, hopefully 'bolt in' solution (e.g, EX lancer, Cordia, Celeste brakes?) Does anyone know if any of these will just bolt on? cos I don't really have a clue. Also very keen on sourcing a 4G32 chain drive shortblock, any advice on where to find one would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 moleste gsr perhaps? possibly the problem you'll come up againt is spring diameter, when using starion bits or whatever. otherwise almost anyhting, strutwise, will no odubt go in, from what I gather from talking with caboonatlarge (he's got an LA whih he's putting some fairly hefty brakes into, from some rare as 2000ex or somehting - is having to get the spring seats changed to enable the use of smaller diameter springs) yours is an 'lb' I assume (rectangular tail lights) chuck some pics up mang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I have a Celeste. They have the exact same brake/strut set up as yours essentially, strut towers may be narrower. I used turbo Sigma struts and brakes. All I've had to do aside from new rubbers, is change basically everything that connects to the lower arm. Yóu'll also need the top spring retainer. Just make sure you ask for everything with them when you get them. Caboonatlarge on here has done a good upgrade, pm him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 ^ he's getting his struts modified this week. essentially the same as sigma turbs/starion bits but less neg. camber I'm pretty sure. spring diamter was the only thing to hold him up from chucking them on. chur costs fuck al to change the spring seats, adn he's using standard tops, which in effect, are the same as gen 1 mirage. are celeste gsr front brakes any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer misfit Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 True, Cheers Fellas. (It's the first generation, 'L' shaped tail lights by the way). So Celeste GSR or Sigma Turbo brakes then? This may sound blasphemous, but I was hoping to keep my existing struts and hopefully even rotors. Are there any slightly better calipers that will bolt on? If not, Caliper and rotor setup? It's just one of my calipers is seized and I was hoping I could replace them with a more effective pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubastreet Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 You might just need a decent set of pads on, it's a light car and mine pulls up pretty sweet on the standard brakes. Mind you I've only got a 4g36 and I'm used to driving a 3T van Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 i think that all the GSR brakes off the EX lancer and maybe thge starin would bolt to the struts you have i think, im not 100% sure tho....could try 1600EX lancer brakes perhaps as well. Maybe GSR celeste ones too, i will look in my new little book of tricks and look at the specs etc and see what you could try, can hook you up wit GSR celeste brakes perhaps, CaM mite have a better chance at getting them tho.... Did you ask bout that crossmember and diff i want mang? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer misfit Posted September 21, 2006 Author Share Posted September 21, 2006 Cheers! If you could look in your magical book that would be awesome! If the celeste GSR calipers do fit, I'd be keen as if you could sorce a pair. That is assuming they are a better caliper - are they single or twin pot? + How much would you want for them? Mines a 1200 too but I've got big plans. Thanks Heaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 all of them are single pot. i dont know how much she would want for them, prob not much...why do you want to keep your colt struts? I think that s13/14 silvia struts and brakes etc pretty much bolt in too, but this is on the back burner, will be looking into this later on if i can find a cheap or free set of struts and hubs to play wit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer misfit Posted September 21, 2006 Author Share Posted September 21, 2006 I just didn't want to change the struts if I didn't have to. The car is pretty mint. If new struts would make a big difference I would consider it. Sorry to be a pain, but do you know if the Celeste GSR calipers/pads have a greater surface area? (than old lancer calipers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 have no idea, celeste stuff is pretty rare , GSR celeste even more so. Best way is to look in a brakepad catalog and look at the pads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Only bolt in stuff would be Celeste/Lancer stuff sorry EX and Sigma etc use different knuckles and top hats etc Don't bother trying to stuff with the standard stuff, just upgrade to turbo sigma. Not a big job. Just get those seats swapped and do the knuckles yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 bottem knuckle wit EX is the same as colt (three bolt), and the top hats etc are easy to change, i would still call any of the sigma/starion stuff a bolt in. I recon, find some starion/sigma/GSR EX struts and brakes and get the seats changed, no worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Not totally correct. The struts I have are not 3 bolt, they're 2 bolt. Not bolt in, so to speak, at all. Maybe the Turbo EX are, but not Sigma/Galant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProZac Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I swapped vented turbo sigma brakes into my EX. First i tried putting the sigma knuckles onto the lancer bottom arms, and bolting in the entire strut (with lancer top-hats swapped on ofcourse). It all looked sweet... But the vented rotors are alot wider and scraped on the bottom arms when it was all bolted together. Swapping to the sigma bottom arms solves this problem, as they use a bolt on ball-joint. Unfortunatly, they are marginally longer, so it'll affect track and camber. Lesson: Dont use the lancer bottom arms, use the sigma ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Hmmm I assume I'll have the same problem. I tried fitting my new balljoints from a celeste last night, but the main bolt was too wide. Aside from the 50 bucks down the drain, pain in the ass to get more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isnowi Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 If you are talking ex's then the sigma bottom arm works with the sigma/starion strut, and the ex top hat however the bolt centres in the crossmember for the bottom arms is about 10mm narrower, thus you get stuck with 0 camber or possible even positive if you are really unlucky. This is the problem i am trying to overcome at the moment, i could swap to a sigma crossmember, but the motor is then pushed back by 15mm and will foul the firewall, also need to swap the steering box and drop links in order to clear the sigma crossmember. At this point i am thinking of going pick'a'parting for some longer ball joints that share the same shaft size in order to move the bottom arm joint outwards. If anyone is interested i have a set of starion bottom legs, complete with new wheel bearings, freshly skimmed rotors, new brake pads and rekitted calipers. They will come without shocks however as i need these for what i want to do.. Offers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProZac Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 Thats very intersting, and worrying information... I was under the impression the GSL and Sigma crossmembers were identicle. Fucksake! This could definatly be interesting. Possible to modify the sigma bottom arms at all? weld up the old balljoint holes and drill new ones 10mm out? Sounds a bit dodgey however, lots and lots of load there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlancer Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 They may allow for the engine mounts to be the same, but lower arm mounts are probably different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 can use a sigma crossmember and all you gotta to is change the idler arm, thats what i did in my EX ages ago. there is also a model before the model that has those bolt on balljoint knuckle things and the arms end up being alittle shorter. Was also wondering if using adjustable camber plates on the top hats may get round the problam of the disc hitting. ive just finished wit my GSR EX struts in the colt, tis badass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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