Sorensin Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hey guys after getting a 1600 built up for my mk1 I've had a couple problems fitting it in, just wondering what people have done in the past also if someone has some solutions and photos of things for me. First problem- The sump, with a 1300 sump the crank bottoms out on the sump, with a 1600 sump the sump sits on my cross member... do people make a custom sump half way between or do you change engine mounts? Second problem- My New webber carb and 'fomoco' webber manifold have no where to mount on accelerator bracket and I can't see how I could get the std cable to work... anyone have photos of how it gets set up or could describe to me? Third problem- my current headers have been lifted up and are hitting the passengers floor st the front and sitting 'very' close to the brake lines on fire wall. Looking at buying a new set of 1600 cobys from trademe will this fix it up? I may have to lift the engine because of sump will I have the same problem again? Thanks Guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I have heard that 1300 sumps are diff to 1600 but when I did the conversion ages ago I didnt have any problems. My 1600 from my mk2 bolted straight onto my mk1 cross member. I think I used the 1600 engine mounts tho. Sounds to me like your engine mounts are the problem however. You obviously cant use your 1300 sump so stick with the 1600 sump and try the 1600 engine mounts. The mk2 extractors fitted into my mk1 also without hitting floor pan ( I do know where yo are talking about tho) Very early mk1's, 68-69 may have had a different cross member? I know some models ran drum brakes front... these models could have had slightly diff cross members also? Gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hey, my wagons apparntly a 72... so sayz my rego. Thanks I'll try get hold of some 1600 engine mounts asap, shame my engine mounts look mint as! Anyone got a photo of how a 32/36 webber is setup? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Maybe you should ask someone on here to measure some first. Gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Big ups if someone could measure there 1600 engine mounts for me XD Really wanna try get my engine going this weekend. Cheers Guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 You have a 1600 sump out of a MK1/2/3 Cortina, look for a MK2 Escort sump or cut and weld yours to suit. You can use the 1300 sump, but it takes a bit of time with a big hammer to make clearance while still keeping the bolt pattern. The engine mounts are the same, the height difference between 1300 and 1600 is all above mount level. Your extractors will be set up for the lower 1300 engine, you should be able to get the pipe cut off from the collector then extended down at Pit Stop etc. The manifold you have is from a early MK1 Escort or MK1 Tina, there linkage set up is shit anyway, see if you can find a MK2 Escort or MK2/3 Cortina manifold, they have the linkage mounts cast in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 ^^^^ Well there ya go. If it is the Cortina sump then the bowl will be on the other side to the 1300 one you have. I.e one front bowl one rear. Gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'm 99% sure my 1600 sump is a escort one, I had a cortina one and like gaz said the bowls are backwards, my sump sits the right way but is just to big.. If the engine mounts are the same size this kind of only leaves me with the option of modifying a sump? Anyone doe this and could have a quick measure up of there sump would be tops otherwise ill just try measure how far down the crank comes and give myself another 5+mm same with pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Does anyone know if theres a differnce between the mk1 and mk2 cross members? and does anyone know if this would solve my sump issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 As far as I know there is not any differance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 sumps and x members are the same for mk.1 and 2 1600's. try putting some washers under the engine mounts to get it to fit. btw the left and right mounts are different. you're not trying to use 2 short ones are you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 ^^^ Ahh very very good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorensin Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I dunno I'm just using what was holding in my 1300 (what is came with), could someone chuck up the meaurements of the engine mounts for me that would be awesome, nd I'll check next time i go see my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Sorry I got mixed up with the Cortina sumps, I forgot that mk1/2 had front bowl. I would bet you have a mk3 Cortina (or possibly mk1 Capri) sump. Even with 2 short mounts a Escort sump shouldn't foul on the Xmember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdotlowe Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I dunno I'm just using what was holding in my 1300 (what is came with), could someone chuck up the meaurements of the engine mounts for me that would be awesome, nd I'll check next time i go see my car. If I get a chance today I'll measure up the lengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdotlowe Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Aight, passenger side 125mm and driver side 135mm. This is measuring to the end of the rubber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemi Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 for the headers might not of use and i may have had bad luck but my 1300 headers after 1600 conversion loved my firewall down by the passengers feet they came extrememly close the the lines aswell ...then id sit and wonder why its was hot inside all hte time , had no brake after a mean thrash and the exhaust always broke . just my 20 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sholdowa Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Even with 2 short mounts a Escort sump shouldn't foul on the Xmember. I beg to differ... also the last one I put in - a few months ago - even having them the wrong way round caused it to foul the crossmember... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Even with 2 short mounts a Escort sump shouldn't foul on the Xmember. I beg to differ... also the last one I put in - a few months ago - even having them the wrong way round caused it to foul the crossmember... Weird, I am sure I had a few mm of clearance when I accidentally used 2 short mounts. (thinking about it though I probably had Cortina rubbers on my Escort mounts) Either way if it is fouling as badly as it sounds like it is I would still say it is a mk3 Tina sump, especially since it seems there was no issues with the 1300 clearing. The Tina sump will clear but your engine ends up sitting way back in the bay and its almost impossible to get the mounts to slot in into place + the gearbox Xmember doesn't even come close to lining up. Sorensin is there any chance of you posting a pic of you sumps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemk1 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Just been reading classic ford mag and they say that there are 2 different block widths for the crossflow. 681, 691 blocks are narrower than the 711m block. The numbers are the first 3 numbers of the block number. If it is a narrower block it will sitting lower so you may need a longer mount to suit the narrower block. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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