OSC Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 has anyone got any pictures of a ca18det in a escort engine bay. what sort of clearance issues are there? any sump modifications needed? what about to fit a s14 5 speed do these bolt up to a ca18? what sort of weight difference is there with a ca18det compared to a 4agte. aftermarket parts prices???? how strong are they standard what sort of kw does a ca18 start breaking? standard bits becoming restrictive??? i REALLY dont wanna stuff around with putting a pedal box in the car and i know a 4age intake will clear it if mounted on a very slight angle????. any help would be appreciated. am looking for 200kw approx atw and i know this is VERY do able with a 4agte ie look at the red rona making 197kw atw with standy engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 pfft, ca18det all over 4agte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Ca18det in escort engine bay http://www.oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9522 Will fit with standard sump if mounts made right. s14 box doesnt fir behind a ca18det as the s14 came with sr20det not ca18det. Buy a whole s13 ca18det and box and youll be set. Have to remove the brake booster and pump the tunnel out a bit.. no firewall or any drastic mods needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Here is a link from the other day about turbo upgrades for ca18det.. usefull as. http://www.oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=10089 PLUS.. Idiots guide to 200+kw in a ca18det 200kw @ wheels on a ca18det: GTiR T28 turbo Dump pipe Exhaust 2.5inch+ Intercooler Filter BOV Fuel pump RB AFM SR20de TB Larger injectors. (GtiR 444cc ones will do but may be running high duty cycle) Evo3 510cc ones are better Either remap the standard ECU, Run full aftermarket engine managment or run an APEXI SAFC or similar.. all are possiable of producing over 200kw@wheels on the Ca. With 200kw @ wheels I recomend a larger clutch.... And the juice ya wanna know about breaking points of ca18det. Standard internals plus the right tune are capiable of 240kw. 250kw @ wheels is also doable but ya want a 100% safe tune and a nice fresh engine. Its all really down to the tune. So... they will take your wanted 200kw@wheels with ease. You can prob get 140-150kw just with an aftermarket computer and boosting the fuck out of standard turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 4age_starlet Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 prboly works out cheaper to do a ca18det than a 4agte by time you fuck round tryn to find a gearbox injectors turbo and other shitand a ca18det going to a have a shit load more power than my 4agte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Hrmm, I dunno exactly what it costs to get a 4age to 200kw.. And dont take my info as 4agte suck (im sure heaps of people can vouch for em). I just know how simple it is to get the ca18det to 200kw. They are awsome because alot of the other Nissan shit bolts on and is cheap. Example GTiR turbo - $300 RB AFM - $80 SR20de TB - $80 GTiR injectors - $250 All the rest like BOV, wastegate, cooler, filter, dump pipe, exhaust, computer etc is irrelevant as youd do them to both engines. $710 for all the parts thatll suport 200kw is pretty cheap. Mind.. i dunno what ya need for a 4age... possiably the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Yea theres heaps of 200kw 4ages around but it takes more $$ turbo depends what your after most go for china t3/t4's then aftermarket ecu and bigger injectors and your set, there is rangi tricks on stock ecu's that have seen 180kw but I wouldn't go there. Whats some of the bigger hp ca's you've seen/ heard of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Oh, forgot to mention ecu's. There is a guy on trademe that sells remapped ecus that are mapped for the above mods I mentioned and it is about 195kw at rims. Sells them for $200 so would be the cheapest 200kw possiable out of one IMO. .. or ya can go with an APEXI SAFC and ive seen 240kw out of this on a ca with similar mods and s15 turbo and porting. Um. biggest power. They actually can make more power than the SR because they have a steel block. Heard of an 800hp one but it was in jap and was pretty macing. Was stroked to 2.2l and ran race fuel so not really a ca anymore. Generally IMO and from what ive seen on net etc 250kw - 335hp is max on stock internals 350kw - 470hp is seen when people forge it and run big turbs with boost and tickled head, HKS cams etc. 400kw - 536hp is seen from hard tuned balanced race engines on racegas with large cams etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danger Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 ^ He went to harvard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCADTA Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 What would you like to know about fitting a CA18 into an escort? Fire away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy_rich Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 why piss around making a non turbo engine turbo when you could give yourself a free headstart? CA18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 ^ um because if you start with a 4agze or put ze pistons in your 4age you have an engine ready for forced induction. CA's seem pretty thin on the ground compared to 4ages these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Yuh there arnt as many ca's round.. But how many 4agze internals are there round for the 4age? Or is there a trick to this im unaware of? Also there is still plenty of ca's. All the D1 boes pulling them outta s13's to put in sr's.. Dunno why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 A brand new set of gze pistons/rings are avliable for 400 from toyota, so not too bad. But i wont start a 4a/ca shit fight, each to their own...but 4agte gargling 18psi of boost sound is ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 ^^ thats not bad at all. I think you should start a shit fight.. Well not really but tell us about the 4agte since ya got one. Lol. What exact mods to 200kw etc and maybe costings aprox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Hrmm, well i got my 4agze for 8-900, sold supercharger shit for 300, so really cost me like 500-600, 700 for manif turbo etc, link ecu 1000 new, inlet manif and evo injectors etc prob another grand, so i dunno, between 3k-4k to do a 200kw motor, more if you want surge tank etc like i have, then again you could also prob do it cheaper with a megasquirt ecu cheap manifold/turbo combo etc. But i think power/litre is pretty cool on them, and 195 kw in a rona is heaps, even with my hilux lsd it steps out heaps, even more so with antilag. Might make more power this time with bigger turb, but im not going too OTT this time, i think 200kw 4agte is a happy median. Edit* Dont take mine as a symbol for reliability, it was a shit motor to start with, wasnt keen on my 20psi run. New motor will be sweeet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Is 800-900 cheap for a 4agze? Guess box is $500 at least also to run a T-50. All the manifolds etc are right on the 4agze engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I've seen 20v silvertops on trademe lately and they are sitting around the $300 mark if that. I would just get one and stick ze pistons in it and roll with that. I think I remember someone saying the rods will handle. Would be a screamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 fully ze pistons aren't much silvertop for $3-400, 20v's have there limitations in na form (well Im no expert but f1 and even yamaha went back to 4) but at low lifts has massive valve area advantage, good for boosting. Plus the silvertop rods = same as a ze of the same year which are tough as shit. Theres some mean examples around bazdas 7age 330kw and the land speed record 4age that was 1500cc was in the region of 1000hp (had some mad trick bits in it). But its fully each to there own I like to stick with a manufacturers alternative power plant where possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Slightly off topic but yeah, I've read that the change to 5 valves per cylinder wasn't an advantage and the HP gain from a 20v is more due to compression, head design and cam profile, rather than the extra valve. Looks flash though Ferrari tried it, yamaha tried it, F1 boys tried it (among others probably).. all went back to 4 valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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