Jay GTi Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Mean. Brown Brothers? are a group that does standard kits in the UK. Its pretty funny though. People with daily driven Astras and Golfs etc take them in and pay about 2000 euros to get their fuel injection pulled of and a set of bike carbs put on and thats it. I couldn't believe it but they are all happy with the results. So thats what got me thinking about them more because for years I thought it would be cool, but to unpractical. They reckon they stay in tune under normal driving conditions for up to a year and you don't loose any drivability. I think carbs seem to have come a long way. Thats why bike carbs are the one. Actually the really popular thing in the UK is to take a Brown Brothers manifold and fit modern bike throttle bodies, run off a Megasquirt computer. Cheap as hell, compared to a set of Jenvey or similar throttle bodies. Was going to do it to my Pug, but I left the UK before I got that far with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8Pete Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Bikes because they don't have Levins falling of the roads? There must be heaps of dead motorcyclists in the UK. Was yours an Mi or 8 valve? I'm still umming and ahhing with this 8 valve and it's silly tiny, weirdly spaced ports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay GTi Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Bikes because they don't have Levins falling of the roads? There must be heaps of dead motorcyclists in the UK. Was yours an Mi or 8 valve? I'm still umming and ahhing with this 8 valve and it's silly tiny, weirdly spaced ports. Actually there's a real big problem with born-again bikers in the UK, old guys that used to ride Triumph Bonnies and Norton Commandos, 30 years later deciding to get into bikes again and buying R1s, Blades and GXR1000s and the like... then throwing it into the weeds a few weeks later cos an R1 is one hell of a lot faster than the bikes they remember riding... Anyways, yeah loads of bike throttle bodies around for cheap, so it's a popular conversion. Mine was MI16, went from 1.6 8V to 1.9 8V to MI, the MI completely transformed the car, it was sooooo much fun. My advice, just don't waste your time with the 8Vs, they are so shit by comparison, you'd spend a fortune just to get on an even level with an MI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 That company is called Bogg Brothers. I got confused. There some massive throttles available on v twin bikes. A guy off here had a TL1000 with huge throttles, around 50mm so perhaps those could be modified if using a large engine. I think some vehicles have throttles that are far larger than required, just because "bigger is better" apparantly. I'm quite sure that isn't the case, but not have any real hard evidence because I can't be bothered looking into it heaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8Pete Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mine was MI16, went from 1.6 8V to 1.9 8V to MI, the MI completely transformed the car, it was sooooo much fun. My advice, just don't waste your time with the 8Vs, they are so shit by comparison, you'd spend a fortune just to get on an even level with an MI. My dilemma is, I have two 8 valves, and the one in the car seems good mechanically (touch wood) - blew absolutely no smoke on a dyno run. Something's wrong on the fuel and/or spark side of things though. An Mi16 would cost over $1000, and I'd probably spend $500 odd freshening it up while it's out of the car. Throttle bodies, ECU, and coil packs should get the 8v boogying for about the same (hopefully a bit less), and I'll still be able to use them if I do end up getting an Mi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay GTi Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mine was MI16, went from 1.6 8V to 1.9 8V to MI, the MI completely transformed the car, it was sooooo much fun. My advice, just don't waste your time with the 8Vs, they are so shit by comparison, you'd spend a fortune just to get on an even level with an MI. My dilemma is, I have two 8 valves, and the one in the car seems good mechanically (touch wood) - blew absolutely no smoke on a dyno run. Something's wrong on the fuel and/or spark side of things though. An Mi16 would cost over $1000, and I'd probably spend $500 odd freshening it up while it's out of the car. Throttle bodies, ECU, and coil packs should get the 8v boogying for about the same (hopefully a bit less), and I'll still be able to use them if I do end up getting an Mi. Problem is although the 1.9 8V is supposed to be 135-140bhp, depending on the year, they rarely make more than 120. My MI was a late alloy block with 3 row ECU, from a Citroen BX 16V (the best to have basically) and that was dyno'd at 170bhp at the fly (calculated obviously, but it should be about that) with just a decent exhaust and manifold, so there's just so much catching up to do with the 8V. That said, if the engine in it is good, don't throw it away for the sake of it, I replaced mine because I killed it... and they are still fast enough to have fun. Nothing quite like having this to look at when you open the bonnet though, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8Pete Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I love this guy... Talks about it in February, finished in April, lol. I wish I could get as much done in so little time. I need someone to turn off the interweb. http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45211 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 OMFG I'd get pissed off woring on the thing within the first 5min. damn pugs! shoulda leant when i was pissing with Renaults for a job when I inished school... french cars are a pain in the ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike-e Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 jesusfuckingchriiist anyone got a towel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay GTi Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Holy mother of christ... very cool position for the tubby, not a lot of space back there for a stock manifold, let alone a turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Talks about it in February, finished in April, lol. Thats awesome. He's obviously not a kiwi.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8Pete Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Incidentally Jay, what's that thing on the Mi16 inlet manifold near the oil filler cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Motronic ICV (idle control valve) controls idle with loadswhatever to keep constant speed. BMWS run same system. does the same job as SAD on Jetroni and early motronic systems. they fail regurlarly enough too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 This is the best how to on bike carbs I have found and focusses on the Yamaha R1 carbs, which seem to be a surprisingly cheap and very easy option. http://www.totalvauxhall.co.uk/resource ... h60697.pdf Have a good read and come to the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 you're gon' roll on bike carbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikuni Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 Yeap, I have a set of R1 Carbs in mint condition that I got off TM for $350. Can be sourced for cheaper too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaMpylobacter Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 TUF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggo Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 by anychance mikuni does the guy you got you carbs off sell them regularly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 fuk, i fully think im gonna run these cunts in the LA if i can get them to fit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggo Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 same here boe. quad carb pinto lol. awes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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