RT Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 they are! Tung you don't know what you are talking about. The Celica is a steel case box, very strong but heavy at 45kgs. This is known as a W50. I do have access to one of these, together with a Alloy Dellow bellhousing for my pinto.. The W55 is a all alloy Supra box, totally different. 10kgs lighter and stronger again. The W57 is the same but with better ratios.. better depends on what you are looking for of course. For me, a W57 would be better suited as W57's and 58's came out in turbo Supras and the W55 in the n/a. So with torque like what I have then taller ratios would be much better. I was going to go auto.. but it seemed to much of a drama to get a C4 to mate with the pinto. And, although I want to drag it, I like chopping gears and I decided an auto might make the car a little boring to drive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Has a type 9 already let you down RT? or is it just the weakest link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 no it hasn't let me down yet to be honest. But yes it is the weakest link.. I've heard stories about them not being too strong.. good for up to 180hp but I'm pushing 250 now so its a bit of a worry. But the other reason for changing was the ratios.. first gear is too short and boost comes in and yeah.. first is a joke. But the w55 isn't much better... thats why I wanted a w57. V3k thought is was a 57.. but I don't blame him. I was talking to a gearbox dude when we stripped down the 55, he said the type9's are always ruined by cunts putting additives in the oil. They hate it. Something to do with the nature of the syncros etc. And I instantly thought of that bloody gearup I got for xmas a few years ago..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v3k Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 *waves white flag* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TygerTung Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Celica/Supra Why not just talk in actual codes it makes much more sence. W57's and W58's never came out behind turbo motors. Only the W55 did and that was in a TA61 celica with the 3T-GTEU The only turbo engine the celica/supra got was the M-TEU which only came in an auto. The 2.8 twin 5M-GEU came with a W58 the 2.0 twin 1G-GEU came with a W55 the 1G-EU singlecam came with a W57 The W57 has more of an 'economy' ratio, but it doesn't really matter in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 from toymods "W57's came in RA60's, RA65's W58's came in RA65's (some), MA61's, JZA80's (behind the 2JZ-GE) - Pre-82 (or thereabouts) most larger RWD Toyota cars came with a W40 (4-speed) or W50 (5-speed). Smaller cars came with a T50 5-speed (some Celicas and Corollas) or a K-series box (most Corollas). - Post-82 the steel-case W40/50 was replaced with the alloy-case W5x boxes. Generally speaking the 4-cylinder cars came with a W55/57, while the sixes came with W58's. - Post-92 or so saw the introduction of the second generation W58, which has updated internals including double-row synchros on 2nd and 3rd." Either way, the steel case Celica W50 is a totally different box to the Alloy supra W55/57/58/59 I don't know for a fact that the 57/58 came in turbocharged models but it would make sense as they are the strongest and have the longest spread of ratios ideally setup for larger engines and turbochargers. Eitherway, turns out I'm not going to use the W55 box afterall. I'm buying a friends W50 Celica box because it has a alloy dellow bellhousing and all the bits to run correctly. So if anyone is interested in a totally mint W55 let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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atropine Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 buahaha, told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 burnt. Drove an ex rally 4age escort yesterday. It had a celecia 5 speed with a real tight and close box set up. Was fukn mint. Prob best gearbox iv used ever. Dont really know exactly what box it was tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 Anyone know what a dellow bellhousing cost outta australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RT Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 really? fuck for the price I'd be expecting some quality shit. I believe they quite expensive. Meth: yeah you can get some nice close ratio celica boxes. But that is no good for me. I need long gears with a tall first so I can boost it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70MK1 Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 from toymods"W57's came in RA60's, RA65's W58's came in RA65's (some), MA61's, JZA80's (behind the 2JZ-GE) - Pre-82 (or thereabouts) most larger RWD Toyota cars came with a W40 (4-speed) or W50 (5-speed). Smaller cars came with a T50 5-speed (some Celicas and Corollas) or a K-series box (most Corollas). - Post-82 the steel-case W40/50 was replaced with the alloy-case W5x boxes. Generally speaking the 4-cylinder cars came with a W55/57, while the sixes came with W58's. - Post-92 or so saw the introduction of the second generation W58, which has updated internals including double-row synchros on 2nd and 3rd." Either way, the steel case Celica W50 is a totally different box to the Alloy supra W55/57/58/59 I don't know for a fact that the 57/58 came in turbocharged models but it would make sense as they are the strongest and have the longest spread of ratios ideally setup for larger engines and turbochargers. Also a handy page to give all the specs for those boxes can be found here http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/loats/technical/ma61/gearboxes.html Took me a while to find a decent W58 with alloy bellhousing as well, but very much worth the wait. Good luck with the box RT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TygerTung Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Usually from my adventures at the wreckers you find the W57 behind deisels and engines such as the 1G-EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyteler Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 W57 is also in the RA60 Celica's behind the 21R, which incase you're wondering, havce the rear end shape of a MkII Supra but a really ugly nose on them.. Easy to spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted November 1, 2005 Author Share Posted November 1, 2005 I have worked out a couplea options. I have found a place here in chch that does dellow bellhousings for $350+gst. So I'm in negoations with my mate who has the boxes. I'll either trade him my w55 with a cash difference for his w57 and buy the dellow. Failing that I will just buy his steel case celica 5 speed which is all setup for my pinto. Nice and easy and the cheaper option too. But not as good in the long run as the ratios arn't ideal and it's not as strong. So what you think would be a fair cash difference to convince him to exhage my 55 for his 57? (he builds nuts cars and the 55 won't be as suitable for him either so hes not that keen) ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WESTCORT Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 not sure but definatly go for the w57 might aswell sort your box out for good rather than having to change it again to get the better ratios in the long run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 you cab always just try to sell your 55 and then buy the 57... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT Posted November 2, 2005 Author Share Posted November 2, 2005 yeah I would buy it or swap+cash, but he's gotta want to sell it first.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TygerTung Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Well you can go down to budget auto dismanters in bromley and get one for $150.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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