Jeffs_Emporium Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 "The Mitsubishi Silver Pigeon is a series of scooters made in Japan by Mitsubishi between 1946 and 1963. The first was the C-10, based on a scooter imported from the United States by Koujiro Maruyama, which began production at the Nagoya Machinery Works of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. Along with the Mizushima three-wheeler pickup truck it represented Mitsubishi's first contributions to the Japanese post-war personal transport boom.The Silver Pigeon's primary competitor was the Fuji Rabbit (and in 1954, the Honda Juno). Motor scooters were so important to the post-war vehicle industry that In May 1948 both a Silver Pigeon and a Rabbit were presented to the Emperor of Japan. The Society of Automotive Engineers of Japan lists the Silver Pigeon C-10 model introduced in 1946 as one of their 240 Landmarks of Japanese Automotive Technology. The Silver Pigeon proved sufficiently successful to remain in production for almost twenty years. Motor Cyclist magazine voted it "best in styling" for three consecutive years in the 1950s, a decade after its introduction, while from 1950 to 1964 it maintained an average 45 percent share of the domestic scooter market.By the time production came to an end in 1963 over 463,000 had been manufactured, with the 1960 C-200 proving the most popular individual model, with almost 38,000 sales" This particular model is a 1960 c76 with a 192 cc four-stroke single cylinder engine. I have owned this for atleast 10 years, I acquired it from a distant relative who passed away, the story goes that he had bought it in an auction and had pulled the engine down for some sort of repair and passed away, unfortunately the engine was left in pieces in a barn which wasn't enclosed near woodhill forest so all the components are either missing or heavily corroded. I've only just had it delivered to where im living for the first time since I've owned it so looking forward to seeing exactly what is there over the next couple of days, if you are able to point me in the direction of a sheet metal wizard to undertake the task of repairing the fairings please feel free to comment! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatestben Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 There was a mint condition yellow one of these in the deceased estate I got my Sachs rotary from. One of the grand children ended up with it, they are very cool scooters! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffs_Emporium Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 The sachs rotary engine is one option I'm looking at for a repower if I can't source an original engine from Japan. Which is the one you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatestben Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I had a km37, fetched just over $500 on trademe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My name is Russell Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 RAD! My votes that you just focus on the running gear and leave the body as is 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffs_Emporium Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Yours must be the one I saw on there at beginning of the year which I had recently been searching for again Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatestben Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Sold mine early mid last year. They come up in various states on trademe. Perhaps a km48 would have a bit more oomph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeffs_Emporium Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Km48 acquired! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffs_Emporium Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Won an auction from trademe last sunday for a km48 160cc 8hp rotary, thanks to Chris R for OS freighting it to me yesterday! It's missing the pull start and has a geabox attached with a hole blown out of it but apparently was a good runner, ill add fuel this weekend and see if i can fire it up with a drill. I have also won an auction from ebay for a box of km48 NOS goodies which looks to have various pull start parts included. Evil looking exhaust This gearbox leaves me with a number of options as its a direct gear against the gear on the end of the crank its essentialy reversing the output direction. The original engine ran onto a variable belt pulley which on the other end of the shaft had the chain drive to the rear wheel (as pictured below) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatestben Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 You'll want earmuffs for your earmuffs. These are next level loud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris r Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 So keen to see/hear this motor go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyone Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Excuse me but wouldn't the rotary turned end for end allow for the output shaft to then be reversed? And again, excuse what might be ignorance on my part but isn't the gearbox just a reduction drive? I got a 90cc twin 2 stroke Wolf motor off Japnut ages ago which he preceded to pull apart to ascertain that it was quite good and merely had one little end seized but in my haste to pick it up I forgot to grab the other half of the crankcase... Anyway you can have it if you want as it might make a slightly easier pigeon holing and subsequent modifications to work. Tracking Japnut down isn't a simple task but he will be found eventually and he is certainly willing, despite being very busy, to get the case to it's rightful home. I'm not saying that the rotary isn't a very interesting choice for the moped so much as waiting for exactly the right bits to find you to make it easy and less cutty cutty could be acheived by putting a simpler drivetrain into it in the meantime. And I absolutely love the rusted cutaway that shows the motor. Who needs air intakes when nature has done such a lovely job of sculpting the metal where it's needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 drivetrain-wise, would there be enough room to do something like this?? separate pitbike gearbox running off belt drive to the flywheel/pulley... http://www.pipeburn.com/home/2013/01/13/brenton-newtons-honda-ct110-bobber.html fair amount of engineering/winging it to get a good fit, but the separate gearbox could be cool. otherwise you can get new variators/torque converters on TM - like the TAV2 ones or golf cart ones. youtubed that engine lol sounds awesome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffs_Emporium Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 She's a runner! Managed to get the rotary started Saturday morning with a battery drill and some fuel, carb possibly needs attention as it seemed to be over fueling a bit and pissing out the front of carb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffs_Emporium Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 drivetrain-wise, would there be enough room to do something like this?? separate pitbike gearbox running off belt drive to the flywheel/pulley... http://www.pipeburn.com/home/2013/01/13/brenton-newtons-honda-ct110-bobber.html fair amount of engineering/winging it to get a good fit, but the separate gearbox could be cool. otherwise you can get new variators/torque converters on TM - like the TAV2 ones or golf cart ones. youtubed that engine lol sounds awesome Cool idea, thanks for sharing! There is quite a bit of room in there, a friend has sent me a couple of photos of a local Sachs bike with a rotary with a cvt gearbox conversion so i may try get into the Scootling store to have a look at that for ideas as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatestben Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The carb on these are intended for fixed rpm I found. Didn't react well to quick throttle changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKD Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 The carb on these are intended for fixed rpm I found. Didn't react well to quick throttle changes. Flatslide!! theyre cheap as chips on aliexpress..20USD etc for a 30mm keihin copy (OSO, PWK etc) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/KOSO-PWK-30mm-Flat-Slide-Carburetor-RTL250-CR80-CR85R-CR125-NSR50-NSR80-Dirt-Pit-bike-Parts/751225374.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.1.PEnOdj&scm=1007.13338.33078.0&pvid=c6dafdf2-520c-48ec-bdab-88afc9e64e07&tpp=0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffs_Emporium Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 Flatslide!! theyre cheap as chips on aliexpress..20USD etc for a 30mm keihin copy (OSO, PWK etc) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/KOSO-PWK-30mm-Flat-Slide-Carburetor-RTL250-CR80-CR85R-CR125-NSR50-NSR80-Dirt-Pit-bike-Parts/751225374.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.1.PEnOdj&scm=1007.13338.33078.0&pvid=c6dafdf2-520c-48ec-bdab-88afc9e64e07&tpp=0 Forgive my ignorance but are these 2 stroke compatible? If I can find one with matching throttle cable it will be ideal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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