OSC Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 after thinking about it for a while i have decided that even tho i have seen as much as 298kw out of a turbo pinto. im not sure if i can be assed with the huge level of modification required to acheive this. so does anyobdy know of a decent 1600/2L jappa engine that is good for a cheap and reliable 200kw atw conversion. i was thinking sr20 but the problem being the clearance to the stupidly large mk2 brake booster bracket. will a 4age clear this? what about ca18det? what was the brake set up in methods old 4age escort obviously id be turboing whatever engine i put in it. if anybody has any ideas besides a 13b turbo im all ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteretep Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 probably best to search for the answers on here, theres plenty of threads about stuff like this but pretty much any new motor will require the booster to be moved/replaced with something smaller or in another position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raizer Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 CA18DET FTW! and yeah as retep said the booster has to go, get a pedal box from palmside, there a little pricey but you get the hydro clutch set up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 having had a look at the 4age in gt mk2's wagon it appears that the break booster is still in there and ive been doing some reasearch and it seems that about 190kw atw is fairly do able so i might go with a 4agte as i have a mate who has lots of experience with them and i could probably sort a cheap turbo and wastegate. so although its off subject does anyone have a xmember to fit a 4age into a escort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durty Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 but 4age plus turbo may not fit 12a turbo ftw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 theres plenty of room left on the exhaust side of the engine bay so turbo fitting will be no worries. i would go 13b turbo BUT even off boost fuel consumption is a bit on the large side where as i can granny drive a 4agte off boost and not use too much gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 A 200kw 4age aint going to be that great on gas. Where is this pic. The 4age in my escort had to have the booster removed. Prob cause of the carbs tho. Does the plenium not get in the way? Does the pic you have seen have a custom plenium perhaps? Whats involved in a 200kw @ wheels 4age? What size turbo and at what boost will pretty much tell me. Ca18det is a very cheap engine to get 200RWKW from as you can use all second hand other nissan parts which makes it cheap. In my escort I was running a remote brake system. The booster runs under the dash adn the resivours are ontop of the pedalbox under the dash. Im still using it. All up cost about $100 if ya cant make stuff yourself. 200RWKW also needs brake upgrade and diff upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 wasnt quite 200kw at wheels was only 190 if how much would you want to convert my pedal box to a under dash style one if i sent you it gotta be cheaper then palmsides 695 lol specs are 4agze, hybrid tdo6 big ass intercooler ross forged pistons shot peened rods ported head aftermarket cams pod filta 32mm external bosch fuel pump rising rate fuel pressure reg evo 510cc injectors evo coils and leads 3 inch exhaust link computer boost controller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 //oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7901 if you look closely engine is on a slight angle and you can see the master cylinder under the intake manifold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCADTA Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I just put a ca18det in my mark 1. Mounting the gearbox/cutting into the trans tunnel is the hardest part. If i knew how id put some pics up. Get an rn 10-25 hilux diff as they pretty much bolt sraight in. other than that im still working on my project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 200kw at the wheels form a 4age is a big ask mate and getting very expensive as youv stated you will need forged internals etc which is getting pricey as will probably need to mate a 20v head onto it for good flow aswell and a tdo6 turbo is going to be laggy as hell, they use them as a larger hybrid turbo for a 4g63 evo engine and even then they arent on song till around 4000rpm if i rember (dont quote me on exact numbers) most have a 9 or 10cm exhaust houssng sure you may end up making 200kw but itll be 4 all of 500rpm before u need to change gear youd be far better off going for a lower horsepower rating overall and having a much nicer curve most of the 4agte i have scene have been running t25s off ca18s at around 20 psi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 wasnt quite 200kw at wheels was only 190 if how much would you want to convert my pedal box to a under dash style one if i sent you it gotta be cheaper then palmsides 695 lol specs are 4agze, hybrid tdo6 big ass intercooler ross forged pistons shot peened rods ported head aftermarket cams pod filta 32mm external bosch fuel pump rising rate fuel pressure reg evo 510cc injectors evo coils and leads 3 inch exhaust link computer boost controller Whoa.. you call that easy 200kw . Man thats alot of work. 4age 200RWKW Going rates: Turbo -$1000 if ya find a secondhand one Injectors - $250 Cooler - $350 Pistons - $900 Rods - $300 (unsure on price of peening rods.) This and forgies prob not necessary anyway for 190kw Ported head - $500 Cams - Anywhere between $500-$1000 Pump - $300 Exhaust - not relevant BOV Wastegate - $500 Boost controller $200 ECU + tune - $1500 Thats $6300 for 200RWKW. Fuck that. Ca18det 200RWKW Going rates: GTIr Turbo - $450 GTIr Injectors - $200 SR20De Throtle Body - $50 RB AFM - $80 (not needed but might aswell) Intercooler - $350 Pump - VL $100 Exhaust - Not relevant BOV Wastegate - $500 Boost controller - $200 APEXI SAFC + Tune - $1000 Thats $2930 for 200RWKW+ depending on tune and boost. Turbo prob good for 210. Neither of those include labour if you cant do it yourself or exhaust system's. I know which one id go for.. and am going for. Pedal box. I got mine from my mk2. Didnt make it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 and a tdo6 turbo is going to be laggy as hell, they use them as a larger hybrid turbo for a 4g63 evo engine and even then they arent on song till around 4000rpm if i rember (dont quote me on exact numbers)youd be far better off going for a lower horsepower rating overall and having a much nicer curve most of the 4agte i have scene have been running t25s off ca18s at around 20 psi Very true on the TD06 coment. Youd be better with a TD05 which can make 250KW@wheels in 2l form and comes on boost alot earlier. Or the GSR turbo even, a TD04 ca T25 wont run 20PSI. Think they run outta puff at 14.5PSI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCADTA Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I agree with methodz100, good value for money, and pats are cheap! Dont have to modify sump, can use standard nissan engine mounts etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCADTA Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Pats probably wont do much for your car but parts will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ke36 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 oh ok wasnt aware they ran outta puff maybe a t28 off a gtir then? i still reckon thats guna be laggy tho as its designed for a 2litre motor id definately be going a tdo4 maybe the (hl) ball bearing model off the rvr should spool up good they have similar compressor wheels (just a bit smaller) as the tdo5s etc but only a 6cm housing which would be better suited then you have to worry about gbox setup theres noway a t50 will hold up to that sorta punishment so youd have to go w55 with an adapter etc which is even more $$, think adapters are around 800 on there own plus you may need a custom cltuch setup?? for an enigne you are going to have to do everything custom for anyway i would just go a ca18 as the other guys have been saying allready turbo, standard exhaust manifold will fit as its on passenger side get a t28 turbo for a bit more grunt, maybe use gtir injectors too and will get to around 200kw much easier for 200kw youd have to be forging a ca18 anyway if you want it to last a while but once again theres a shit load of aftermarket parts avlible for them and there cheap as chips, looking at around 1-1.5g for a complete one with gbox plus theres guys on here who know about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCADTA Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 As for ya diff i just posted some handy info for all on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Yup. The above setup I wrote with a CA is proven over and oven to produce between 200-210kw @ treads depending on boost. The Ca wont need to be forged if tuned right untill around 250-270kw. I know a guy who ran one with a t66 for almost a year putting out 295kw@wheels and never popped it. Its mainly about the tune I guess. Suppose its all biased tho. I know there are guys on here that can tell you similar info as I just told ya about some of the toyota engines. Alister on here with the red corona is running a close on 200kw turbo 4age for example. Im pretty sure he hasnt forged it and his turbo aint any where near a td06 size. Thinking about it now TD06 is a rediculous turbo for the 4age. If ya wanna go anything in that price range step up to the garret ballbearing GT series of turbos. Great spool. S15 silvias are prob the cheapest place to find one of these. They can put out roughly 230kw@wheels on the SR. TD05h 16g is what I am using. In my eyes the ideal turbo for any 4 cyl uner 250kw car. Cheap, plentiful and proven. What more can you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSC Posted April 2, 2007 Author Share Posted April 2, 2007 not sure what size it is in comparison but a m8 had a t3 i think off a single turbo 300zx on his 4age and it was on boost by 2750 and full boost by 3250 running 7psi on stock 4agze internals with a stock ae82 computer adjustable fuel pressure reg and a 5th injector it made 147kw at the front tires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 T3 is a decent sized turbo. Pretty sure its not the standard 300 turbo, it prob had a t3 flange. T3 Capiable of about 260kw@wheels. I would be very surprised if a t3 on a 4age was on full boost by 3250RPM. They are known as pretty lagy turbo's. The T3&t4 is known to be a turbo that respond's well on a RB, Rota or similar efficinet engine. Perhaps it was a t3 with a differnt rear cover. or maybe a TD03. They might make 140kw. Unsure. Street 4 cylinder cars didnt start making REAL power untill the garret GT series came out making the car tractable. On a 4age run a t25 or td04 or for larger power a t28 or td05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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