johnny.race

4 hours ago, cletus said:

Another thing to think of is how much clearance to the chassis or body there is in that position 

Have seen quite a few where the caliper would foul on the body with suspension travel

 

And one recently where the caliper was mounted really close to the coilover brackets. Which was OK with new brake pads, but with a bit of wear the body of the caliper would have hit the bracket 

Fuck, these are brakes we're talking about - how do cunts think they're going to get away with that sorta shit (or even do it) lol, gawd.

Did some more r&d on the mk5 to Hilux option. I actually can't see this working with a 15" rim on/in a live axle application.

The live axle's design prevents placement of the caliper in a position like that would be found on the bum of a FWD vehicle.

This prevents the caliper from working within the confines of a 15" rim. A larger diameter rim could be made to work depending on if a workable rotor could be identified. 

See that cutaway rim in the pic's I use to check clearance? Clever aye? It was cut down on my rim widener I made out of scrap a few years back. Niice clean job! I know you cunts like this sorta stuff! Chur.

9 hours ago, Alfashark said:

288mm is a common VW disc size if that gives you a place to start mixing and matching from.

Do you know what is the common dia of rim usually used on VW's? I've never had anything to do with near most all 4cyl sedans/hatches - fucking cars bro. I lived under a rock and had pickups and the older stuff all my life.

This is a s4/s5 caliper on a Hilux diff using the 273mm OEM style rotor. It fits a 15" rim with a bit of room to spare.

This a an rx8 caliper mocked up on the s4/s5 OEM style rotor. As can be seen it won't work due to the shape of the bracket. I have not tried an OEM rx8 rotor as it's large diameter precludes use with a 15" diameter rim in any case. The caliper fits an  OEM style s6 rotor but the combo will not work with a 15" rim either. I've been spending a bit of time in several disc brake rotor data bases looking for options. The s6 rotor might be able to made to work with the rx8 caliper with some diameter reduction but I'd like to avoid having to trim anything unless absolutely necessary. The s6 rotor is OEM 294mm in diameter. I'm guessing something around 285mm dia might work. Fun and games. 

I put you wrong re all of the brake adaptions I sell working with 15" rims. The brackets I sell will allow the smaller types of calipers I cater for (sp20, zre152, u13) to work with 14" rims. That's current but I might have to revise this going forward with any new design packages that will allow use of later (TBA) calipers and stick to 15" rims. The pic above shows the s13 rotor (258mm dia) I typically use for most of the smaller fitments. Sitting on it is a VW golf mk5 caliper. Clearly not going to work for two reasons - rotors too small in diameter and mounting points fouling housing. They are quite deep/tall there aye? There might be a balance with a rotor in the mid 270's - 280's and it still being able to fit with a 15" rim. I might check things out. 

Thanks for this @cletus a pic goes a long way towards explaining things. I was thinking of posting a few up myself to swap notes/observations/determinations as it were. Hear from me.

9 hours ago, cletus said:

Vw golf ? They have a cable handbrake. Might be a bit small for what you need

Otherwise you might be able to find something common on rockauto that's easily available new? 

 

Funny you say this Clint. I've just finished doing r&d on the feasibility of making mk5 Golf ones work. I've found a yard down here full of them. They are a bit small but not appreciably smaller than sp20/U13 and a couple of other small type ones I fit.  One of the constraints I have is rim diameter. All of my combo's are designed to fit 15" rims. Those mk5's (as small as they are) won't allow this on a Hilux using commonly available OEM based rotors. So yeah. 

You've mentioned to me previously about bringing calipers in from rockauto. I've resisted using new but It's looking more and more likely I will have to start sourcing new. Gawd, we are living through those times aye? Over the last decade I have seen this shit dry up before my very eyes  

Been fucking around with rx8 calipers too - reasonably common but try and find a rotor that will work with them in the confines of a 15" steelie ... then let me know, lol! Cheers.

9 hours ago, anglia4 said:

600 revolutions!!! Bahahahaha

Fuck I'm glad I'm in OS. Yep, fuck this new shit. Checked it out and nup. Keep looking. 

Attraction? Scarcity. The increasing scarcity of (suitable) calipers that feature an integral handbrake within their design. Most (late) rear calipers are the type that work with drum in hat/banksia handbrake setup. The ultimate end use for all of this is disc brake conversion(s) on a live axle. In this case, the live axle is the G series Hilux. Adapting a banksia setup is difficult due to a number of reasons - brake offset not withstanding. Over the years I've designed/sold a couple of bolt on disc brake setups (integral handbrake type) on narrowed diffs I build. They've proved to be quite popular but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep my stocks of calipers up. Some types I can't find at all. Thus the reason I'm asking about these type of calipers. I'm doing r&d. 

Does anyone know about these? Do they need an ECU plugged into them to work or can they be made to work with 12v power in/out/switch sorta setup? Anyone fucked around with them? @cletusmate, is this sorta stuff (OEM setup that's been adapted to a live axle) show itself much in what comes through your work?  

Most times when I come up against stuff like this, over the course of (you pick how long) days prior to dismantling potentially tight stuff like that that you don't want to fuck - I spay repeated applications of 556 or similar over the nut and let it soak in. Some times it works a treat but other time - nuh. You can use heat on those nuts, there nothing there made of rubber. 

Its amazeballs what ends up outside your shed when ya Mrs isn't looking.

Anyone know anything about 90's era Surfs? I've never been into them - preferring the pickups instead but I've always loved the look of their OEM coil sprung live rears. They're shorter than a 106 to aye. Don't like that. What about their front ends ... anyone know anything about them? Are they a reasonable front? Or are they known to snap shit. Need to do some googling.

On 05/02/2022 at 08:09, moparmuppet said:

@johnny.race Can I trouble you to posting a photo of the colour code sticker on the firewall of the 106 please. Assembled in Chch? My one is your twin, rubber mats, bench seat. Cheers.

Sorry for the delay in getting this to you matey, been away. It appears our babies are Bro's of the first order! Hehe, cool!

Edit. I just reread what you were after, the sticker. That sticker has nothing on it. Not even something on there you can try and decipher - its a 2k paint sticker and that's it. Whatever was on there has long faded out. Cheers. 

Solid axle stuff ...

No mighty L series unfortunately but yeah nah - this will have to do.

My red ruffy.

Minta!

1 hour ago, dmulally said:

I'm about to get 3 phase put into my presently off grid shed. Is it worth making the jump to a three phase welder? I have a 200amp Cebora MIG welder now that I very very rarely run more than half strength via a 10kva generator. But I do have a bulldozer on the to do list which will take some grunt to weld up some decent cracks. 

Bulldozers like 3ph stick welders. Used 3ph stick welders are cheap and powerful. The worlds ya oyster in terms of cheap (for what it is) used industrial spec gear when you stump up for 3ph in your shed.

You know the 2009 Hilux shape ... I'm asking about that shape truck. Does anyone know what size wheels they came with from the factory? My LN106 has 15's on it, ummm, -8 offset from memory, with 32's. I was was wondering if they'd fit onto/work with a 2009 model Lux. Ta.

On 23/12/2021 at 21:32, Taistorm said:

@OSM Garage he's the torque wrench guru.

so is @Muncie Would trade again!

On 23/12/2021 at 08:19, flyingbrick said:

Is it a trade secret?

It wasn't softened. Its already in hard state.

Does anyone know the names of the popular sites in Australia where classic cars (Valiants, Holdens etc) get sold? Ta.

This build ceased and the car sold. Lack of motivation/time and changing interests being the culprits. Yet another notch in the bedhead of broken dreams (I pinched these words from @sluggy) Life goes on. Cheers.

On 01/12/2021 at 08:02, sluggy said:

.... but motivation/time are against me. Yet another notch in the bedhead of broken dreams ...

These words sum things up succinctly. I'm going to pinch them. Ta.

You don't email Howat - you ring him. I've built diffs before for customers using his axles. I've never ordered any myself - I've moreso been the guy that supplies the cores and builds the housing. The only time I direct someone his way (and this has happened a few times) is if a length of axle is required that can't be got by juggling pinion offset and no OEM axle has meat in the place its needed for a respline.

From what I've seen his work is good, the product meaty, accurate and would be strong. He uses a appropriately sized 4340 shaft that is splined in soft state prior to being hardened. He uses a LN85 (or similar) OEM axle core and cuts the shaft from off the flange. He bores the flange and its shrunk onto the new shaft and secured by welding it inside the bored out brake hub register (from the outside)

I've checked his work between centers (I'm lying - I grabbed the brake hub register in a chuck) and held the pointy end in a live center. and the bearing journal ran near true according to a DTI. I was actually surprised. I've seen some shockers come in the door straight out of supposedly good running differentials. 

Best to ring him.  

The 2nd from the left is a Surf 6 stud axle that's been drilled for 4 x 114.3PCD. The forging chamfer/bevel/gusset whatever has been taken down from OEM 6 stud size to OEM 5 stud size. That axle next to it, 3rd from the left, is an LN85 item OEM 5 stud. The 5 stud OEM PCD is 114.3mm. See - same size. The 2 outer axles are untouched 6 stud items. The 1st one is one of those 6 stud Hiace ones. The last one is a Surf item. Its clear the OEM Lux 6 stud axle is built more butty than its lesser studded sibling.

I might have done the odd 100mm PCD over the years. Not nice though, you end up leaving less material than what the factory deemed was ok on its smallest axle. Just my 2c worth. You can lessen the chunking action undertaken by running a small headed wheel stud and running everything close. The factory Lux 5 stud studs feature quite a large diameter head, are sorta stumpy/shortish and require more material removal to work.

This area is a specialist area bro where special cunts operate, lol!

Those axles are from the 40's or 50's series of Luxers. I'm guessing LN56/57 given the 4 lugs in the register and the later style of bearing housing being used. They'd be around the 685mm mark in length OEM and were worth something before being blazed and having meat chunked out of the rear flange in order to get that small PCD to fit. Out of interest, are AE101 rear calipers the same as AE92's?  

On 30/11/2021 at 22:25, zep said:

Wow! Thanks @johnny.race So it's not quite as easy as I had been told.

My current diff is one of the 1410mm wide ones. I'm essentially looking for axles that are the splines plus the tapered area longer, so I can cut it all off and respline at my required length. 

What does the axle brake hub register look like. Does it look like those in that first pic I posted or has it got two dork things sticking up like in the 3rd pic I posted. Is the housing the skinny welded type or the later round type? Your axles will be around 685mm long and if 6 stud - will have done a shit load of work. Just saying.

Do you think there is enough material in the mounting face centre to machine a 6 stud down to 68.3mm from the stock 101.6mm?

Those pics above feature a brake hub register (what you call a centerbore) of 68mm dia. 

As I mentioned above, my rotors are currently mounted behind the flange face. I need to pull them off and see how this was achieved as I didn't do it personally. Could be some machine trickery behind there.

Is there any reason not to just grab an entire 6 stud hiace housing and axles then, if they are more butty? Will my existing hilux diff head work with this?

Let me know if you do find one of those 6 stud Hiace ones that matches the width of a KUN. I've got a few of them here and they are not KUN width. But that's just what I've seen - you're mileage may vary.