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Fuel Pump/ECU woes


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I'm having trouble with the fuel pump in my S12.
Firstly, specs:

S14 SR20DE
S14 WA ECU (Manual)

S14 DE fuel pump

Some custom wiring.

 

So, the problem:

I wired it all up, but the ECU will not control the fuel pump.  It will start and run if I hard wire the fuel pump so it's constantly running, but I don't want this as a permanent fixture. I have tried two different manual ECU's, and they're are both the same.  Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  It's the only thing I need to sort and then the wiring is all finished proper.
 

Its wired like this:

fp_wiring.jpg

 

This is the ECU pinout.

s14_pinout.gif
 

 

Thanks,

Chris

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Cheers, sorry, the diagram isn't very good.  I'm not an electrician.  

The two top lines are +12 constant in.

The bottom right is to the fuel pump.

The bottom left is the ECU's switchable ground.

 

I believe the switchable ground is where the fault is.  Is it possible there is an ungrounded black wire, or do I have two faulty ECU's?

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The neutral switch signal not being correct would stop the Auto ECU from letting you start the car.

It should still engage the pump on your manual ECU's the same as it does for the auto ECU (I would have thought) but if someone has been butchering the loom then that's likely where the problem is as opposed to two fried ECUs as that just seems unlikely (though not impossible)

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Found this on Driftworks:

http://www.driftworks.com/forum/technical/77974-sx-s14-auto-manual-ecu.html

Sounds like what you're experiencing. No easy solution there but same problems where the Auto ECU is gravy (to a point) but the manual is not.

Try bypassing the nuetral switch and using the Auto ECU to run the car up/check if everything works.

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Theres a few things that could be wrong. One is a missing ground to ecu some are for injector drives some are for sensors some are for power supply etc. Double check this. The next is 2 speed fuel pump control if the resistor is missing it wont run unless motor is above a certin load point. Short out resistor to by pass as they start and run on lower voltages untill a certin load point is passed ( im not sure if yours is like this but alot are) the inhibitor normally only prevents the starter excitor from energizing but worth a look as im not 100% on that

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Theres a few things that could be wrong. One is a missing ground to ecu some are for injector drives some are for sensors some are for power supply etc. Double check this. The next is 2 speed fuel pump control if the resistor is missing it wont run unless motor is above a certin load point. Short out resistor to by pass as they start and run on lower voltages untill a certin load point is passed ( im not sure if yours is like this but alot are) the inhibitor normally only prevents the starter excitor from energizing but worth a look as im not 100% on that

 

Fuel pump wiring has been completely replaced. All new wires, relay and fuse so there are no resistors in the circuit.  As far as I can tell, all the grounds are grounded, this was checked with a test light. 

 

In this car the starter is controlled directly off the ignition I think.  It will crank regardless of ECU, even if it's not plugged in, and once it's started, it doesn't die.

 

I'm looking into the neutral switch on it now, although the wire color doesn't match the diagram so I'm not sure whats going on there.

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Following on from the neutral switch.

 

The wire colors don't match my loom.  But one thing I found strange.

On the manual ECU, pin 35 G/O is an output to ground via the neutral switch.
On the auto ECU, pin 35 G/O is an input to the ECU from the neutral switch.

On my one, the ignition input is split off to this pin 35 giving it a constant signal when the car is on.

Could this be why the auto ECU works, but the manual doesn't? Is it possible that on the manual, the fuel pump relay is earthed through the neutral position switch on start up?  It seems unlikely, but I don't know.

 

Or am I exploring the wrong area altogether?

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Check grounds with meter set to ohms even a large resistance will set your test light off but may not be good enough to trigger relay. Disconnect relay coil and test from fuel pump trigger to ground with meter set to ohms to check turn ign on should show dead short during priming then go open circuit

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