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Hey all,
Currently I working on a project to build a replica of the stock Gemini tachometer. They were a pretty rare option so purchasing a cluster with one is getting really expensive.
It looks like this:
My plan is to pull a tachometer unit from another car a bolt it up to a new face that i'm working on. I've looked through pretty much every car at my local pick-a-part and have not found a replacement that has the indicies in the same locations as the Gemini ones. The ones I have found that are very close appear to be "air core" gauges, which, rather than having a postive, negative and signal wire, have sin+, sin-, cos+ and cos-. I assume that these are run from the car's ECU or some kind of microcontroller?
So I guess at this point I have two question:
1. Can I recalibrate another - regular type - 0-8000rpm tacho unit to line up with the indicies in the right place by modifying it somehow?
2. How do you get an air core tacho to work? Can I make my ECU (Link Xtreme G4X) do it with the right calibration? Or, can I somehow make it work with the oldschool coil signal?
The lazy way out is to just make the face to line up with whichever tacho unit I pull from the doner car, but I would really like to have the face looking at OEM as possible.
Anyone know about this stuff?
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I have since has a chat with a man who knows everything about Hilux rear ends and have been assured that I can use any axles from any Hilux or Hiace. Now I just need to find the widest one possible!
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7 hours ago, ajg193 said:
Did anyone buy any of these? Brantz uk website doesn't want to ship to NZ and the ireland one wants like 64 euro for shipping.
I bought mine from Brantz UK. You couldn't buy directly from their site, they had to email me a payment link.
You could also try and buy through brantz.co.nz
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I finally got around to fitting the rear wheels to assess how much room I have in the wheel wells and see how much I need to shorten them by. Turns out I have hit a snag that might turn into a blow out of a range of proportions.
Here's where I'm at with the fitment:
Looks like I have about ~33mm to try get in the arches. Looking from the other side, there is about 50mm between the tire and the chassis rail, so I figured that's not too bad. However, there is a decent amount of meat where the inner and outer guard skins meet, so I'm really working with only about 10mm of extra space in there. From the outer fitment point of view, I will definitely have to pull out the guards some -the plan is to keep them looking as stock as possible. I thought I could remove the inner skin where it meets the outer and weld it back in higher - not sure if this is a legit thing to do or not? Do I need double skin all the way down?
The other issues is this:
I only have about 7mm of spline I can cut off. And because the axle tapers in, I can't put the splines in the exact place I need them to be if I were to cut new ones. I've spoken to a bunch of diff places and none recommend filling and cutting new ones, so I figure I have 3 options.
1. Find some longer 5 stud axles that I can cut off after the taper and respline. I've looked around and turns out 5 stud ones (with the right centre bore diameter for my wheels) are pretty hard to find. Most seem to be 6 stud.
2. Get some billet axles. There are PLENTY of places that will make axles to a custom length in 30 spline and whatever stud pattern you want. The main problem is that none of them make an axle with the hillux bearing size. I could go down this route and try to find a bearing that will match the housing on the outer and whatever axle I choose on the inner. I did a quick check on ford 9" and couldn't find any in the right specs. I need to look a bit harder and longer as there are heaps of different axle diametres out there.
3. Convert to full floating. Today I spoke with a guy who makes full floater kits. You cut off the housing flange and weld on the one he give you, buy his axles which will be made to fit, and bob's your uncle. This is considerably more expensive than just buying axles and from what I've read, the only real benefit comes from if you ever snap and axle, which I feel like I'm unlikely to do.
Any thoughts on this?
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3 hours ago, cletus said:
Yeah I think that would be OK to modify or remove , add some sort of strength back into the join another way
Awesome, thanks
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Not a huge amount to update. The Gem is back in my (work in progress) garage for the time being, which is nice.
I got the tires fitted to the wheels:
225/45 semi is so much bigger than a regular 195/50!
And I because I have the car back, I was able to have a go at fitting the intake manifold. Looks good to me!
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59 minutes ago, Snoozin said:
Give Jon @ Strange Workshop a call, he's got a range of high quality cores available and can fabricate to suit your application.
Don't know why I didn't think of him. I've already spoken to him about an exhaust manifold.
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Can anyone recommend a good fabrication shop that I can talk to about about making a custom alloy radiator?
That's it
Cheers
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A few more additions to my reckless spending that may or may not be necessary.
A post popped up on the Gemini Owners Facebook Group with a guy selling new, billet lightened flywheels for G200Z engines. Luckily the 4ZD1 uses the same 6 bolt flywheel (the E1 flywheel is slightly larger and uses an 8 bolt pattern). I jumped on this immediately and had one sent over. It's about 2.5kg lighter than stock and looks great:
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Next, another dude who runs a shop called FabHouse posted up that he was now selling tubular upper arms. The benefit of these is that they have a much larger platform to enable an adjustable ball joint to slide to its maximum camber. They are also adjustable where they mount to the cross member, meaning that I could pull them in for even more camber if necessary. I am not that clued up on wheel alignment stuff, so I'm not sure how this will also affect the toe in/out. I guess I just have to make sure they are both adjusted to exactly the same point?
Bit of a potato-y photo. There are a few things I'm not sure about: the ball joint platform is not knurled and is powdercoated. The joints themselves have knurling on them, so I hope that is enough to stop them moving around. Also, the holes in the platform - the bolt holes and centre - appear to be hand drilled, and not exactly perfectly. They are not terrible but not perfectly round. I hope that none of these things are going to be a problem once it's all bolted up. I certainly hope that this is not going to affect the ability to cert them. Especially because the same shop will be making similar lower arms to enable the use of a coilover spring on a threaded insert, allowing height adjustment. My talks with @cletus have tentatively approved this type of suspension mod, but I guess in the end it will be determined on how well the parts are made. I guess the upside of being in NZ is that the x-member modification to allow the new spring seat to be inserted will need to be welded locally (as I'm not going to send a cross member to Aussie), so can be better watched over. The shop also said that the spring locator is also laser cut, so no hand drilling! Here's hoping.
I've also managed to find some factory Isuzu fender mirrors out of Malaysia. Funnily enough, my car actually came with fender mirrors but they weren't cool when I was 18 so I pulled them off. I don't want to think that I got rid of them, but I have a haunting memory of throwing them in the bin. What an idiot. Anyway, I've got these replacement ones that are more proper than the ebay specials I had on there before. They definitely are not perfect so will need some cleaning up and I think I am going to have to 3d print a new mounting plastic part as one is chipped and finding a new one is basically impossible.
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For now, last, but most definitely not least - ya'll remember my SSR MkIIIs that I bought off of @mikuni (ex his Piazza - trying finding this stuff in 4x100!) years ago and have had on the car for ever, well, here's them:
Anyway, these were going to look way too Aussie drag-spec for my liking when trying to get 225s on them (they are 15x7 ET26). Me and old mate @EURON8 spent many evenings mucking around trying to figure out where I could find some rims that were going to be wide enough to suit the tires. I finally settled on some Minilites after looking around. However there were some issues. The first is that the they only come in 15x8 or 15x9. The cert rules said that 9" wide was out of bounds for a 225 tire. The other thing was that despite it being quite obvious that I was going to have a shorten my diff, the highest offset on the 15x9s, and even the 15x8s, was too low. I would have ended up having to really push my fenders out or run some flares in order to keep the brake calipers inside the wheel wells and from hitting the floor on full compression. It was a similar issue on the front, waaay too low of an offset, even despite the fact that I had decided that I was going to have to run a staggered setup to avoid similar issues on the front.
Anyway, after much much mucking around, many nights with measuring tapes, and difficult emotions in leaving the SSRs behind, I decided to change tack. I spoke with my panel beater and he was certain that if the fenders needed to be pulled out, that he could do this without too much disturbance to the stock lines of the car. The one thing I was super anal about was ensuring that the the vertical section on the outside of the wheel arch (does this have a name? I've noticed on modern cars this has got really massive!) needed to stay intact. I am NOT a fan of those rolled up wheel arches which push the vertical section out and into a point, if that makes sense. Pretty common on "stance" and drift cars when they're trying to fit wider rims. Anyway, I digress, with this information from the panel beater I decided that I could go wider on both the front and back (still with a diff shortening) without an issue - I hope! So I boxed up the wheels and went to the post office. Then I waited, and waited and waited.
Then these showed up!\
A huge thank you to Aidan at Pine Engineering for adding 0.5" to the fronts and 1.5" to the rears. So now I'm running 15x7.5 ET17 on the front and 15x8.5 ET4 on the rear. I'll be running 205/50 on the front and 225/45s on the rear, which are within a few mm of each other in terms of side wall. I'm so stoked with how these turned out! Annoyingly, perhaps, the tire to wheel width cert rule changed while they were down at Pine!
The next step is to mount up the tires - Nankang semis - and see how they fit. Once I've done that I can determine how much diff I need to shorten on the rear, and whether or not I want to muck around with the brake setup on the front to reduce the track which is currently +10mm on each side due to the current brake upgrade. There are options to go back to stock track if I make some changes, but I also want to make sure that the fender pull is relatively even front and rear, so we'll see. The car is still at @EURON8's place and I can't go over because of lockdown. Covid's really wrecking progress here! Anyway, that's the gem update for today. As per usual, click on discuss coupe in my signature to let me know what you think. I'm keen to chat!
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1 hour ago, BlownCorona said:
do you know what sort of 'flavor' pulse comes out of it? it might be an easy way to reinstate cruise control on the crown.
my auto gearbox had a hall sensor which read 4 pulses per revolution on the output shaft. but the manual trans has no such provisions.
Strangely enough the Brantz site doesn't say, but this reseller does: https://ears.ie/brantz-japanese-m22-gearbox-sensor/
4 per revolution, which seems like it'd work perfectly for you!
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1 hour ago, yoeddynz said:
Light surrounds look amazing! Ditto the plenum.
Please tell me more about that gearbox speedo cable adaptor/sensor. What size thread is it, where did you get it ?
Hey Alex, I got it direct from Brantz in the UK. It literally just sits in between the gearbox and the cable, and is supplied with a little pin so everything still works. Mine is M22 ("Japanese" gearbox), but they have others - https://www.brantz.co.uk/sensors
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While the tail light surrounds were happening, I sent my inlet manifold over to a dude in Tasmania who modifies the stock rails with custom plenums, for a very good price. I guess I could have had this done locally but he had a bit of a production line going and it ended up cheaper this way. Plus, I think it's good to support people in the Gemini community.
I don't have a before picture, but essentially I sent him this (excuse the stolen image):
and received this in return:
It's nicer than I expected. The plenum to runner transition is fully smoothed out on the inside and looks great.
While I'm here, I want to run boost by gear and was trying to figure out the best way to get a speed signal into the ECU. I could have built some kind of trigger system at the rear hubs, but that seemed like a bit of a pain. Taking it from the gearbox seemed to be a way better option, especially as I'm already running some wiring for the reverse sensor anyway. The problem was that I also need to keep the cable for my speedo. This was one of those moments when you know what you need but just can't find it, even though it MUST be out there somewhere. I'd seen adapters for converting speedo cables to a signal for an electronic speedo, but needed one that still enabled the cable to be used. Fortunately, after some searching I came across the Brantz gearbox sensor, which fits between the box and the cable, and sends off a pulse. Pretty cool! Anyway, here's
Wonderwallsome pics :-
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I think this thread is due an update. Let's do it multi-part.
If you look at the top of this page, you'll see where I got to with trying to have my tail light surrounds vacuum metalised. A bit of a stalemate in trying to find somewhere to restore the chrome on them. I ended up deciding to look in Aussie and found a place called A Class Metal Finishers, south of Adelaide, who said they could rechrome the ABS plastic. No one I could find in NZ told me that they could do this, or if they could, that they could guarantee it would work. A Class said no problem. I sent over 2 sets of surrounds, they chose the best ones and put them through a full rechroming process, similar to what would have been done at the factory.
And I am very happy with the result.
These pictures do not do them justice. I actually think these might be better than from the factory - they feel about 25% heavier than the ones I sent away! Now they just need to be repainted in the right places and I'll be ready to start cleaning up the lenses and other bits of the tail lights.
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11 minutes ago, ajg193 said:
If you go back to 2003 you can get heaps of these at pick a part for cheap
That has pretty much correct needle too. What is it?
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1 hour ago, mjrstar said:
I probably have an ek civic cluster spare somewhere if that helps.
I did look at EK as there are quite a few at Pick-a-Part, but I think it's a bit AC rotated.
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Both the Rover and MG are a no go as it doesn't look like the circuit boards screws to the front.
kws, I think you are right about it being slightly off centre.
bryan, not concerned about the redline as the oem face will be discarded.
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The title is a bit of a mouthful, but I'm working on a tacho project and I thought the OS boffins might be able to help out.
I need a tacho unit from another car - preferably something I can swipe from Pick-a-Part or Zebra - that is 270-degree sweep, 8000rpm, and has the 4 right at the top in the 12 o'clock position. Many look like they are at this position but in fact are more likely at 11:45 position, or further anti-clockwise.
So far it looks like P11 Primeras might be a good choice. Any other ideas?
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On 17/06/2021 at 13:35, Truenotch said:
If you decide the AR1s are too motorsporty, I've got a recommendation for you.
Hankook Ventus RS4. They're available in 225/45-15 and are a great all rounder. This is the new class tyre for MX5 racing (although we run 195s). So far the lap times are about the same as the R888Rs and they're loads better in the dry.
I've done 6 meetings on my first set and they're barely showing signs of wear. I'll probably get 12 race meetings out of a set at the current wear rate.
We pay under $200 per tyre for ours and I'm sure you'd be able to snag a set of 225s for ~$250 per tyre if you use the right dealer...
Thanks man. I've got the AR1s now, but maybe in the future these might be a good choice. I'm suprised they never came up in my searches, while the Kumho Ecsta did.
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On 19/06/2021 at 19:42, cletus said:
Pretty hard to know until you fit it really. I've done 3 or 4 of those kits in Subaru's and all have had problems, mostly with the sway bars hitting the steering or binding at extremes of suspension travel
Thanks. I'll do a bit of searching and see if this is a common issue with this kit (although I'd imagine they are all similar).
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For my daily - how can I determine if a strut spacer lift kit will be certable? I'm looking at this one which seems to be well designed and includes subframe spacers to ensure the alignment is not wrecked, as well as adapters for the longer brake hoses, etc.
The installation PDF in there has heaps of install pics.
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Looks like pretty much nothing is available. The only semi-slick you can get in BOTH 225/45r15 and 205/50r15 are the Nankang AR-1s.
So I guess that's what I'm buying.
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Cheers bois. will have a geeze at this stuff and no doubt come back with more questions