be4ver Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 right, for my 4g63t engine im currently tickling up for rwd i brought this rwd oil filter housing which was supposed to fit the engine to make oil changes a breeze BUT i doesn't fit, the bolt holes are ever so slightly different.... the lower one is the rwd one, its apparently from a starion? (brought from trademe) the first question is, does anyone know if this is actually a starion one? and if it is, does it not work on the rvr model of 4g63t? as i've been told they do fit on failing this i thought i could use the original one still if i pull this dough nut thing off as it will probably allow the filter to squeze on/off past the engine mount. I will just have to cut this bit of threaded pipe down and find a nut to lock it to the housing as seen here; Second question, do i need the doughnut thingo? or will it be fine with out it? it seems to be some kind of oil cooling thing. the pipes off it had coolant going through them. and thirdly, will the two allen key plug things seen on the last picture be able to be removed and an external oil cooler used? cheers in advance for the wisdom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 It's definitely a RWD oil filter housing but the Starion one will have provisions for the external oil cooler which is on the only side which is not pictured above.. I know the Starion one will bolt up to the 6-bolt bottom end DOHC engines, unsure about the 7-bolt Evo/RVR engines. You could just find an Evo oil filter housing if you can't cut down that threaded pipe. You could also try drilling out the holes by 1-2mm to make up for the spacing differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be4ver Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 there are no provisions for an oil cooler on the rwd housing i got which tells me its probably off something else. did think of drilling holes out but they are a bit more than 1-2mm out, more like 3-4mm would get a bit dodgy i think do the evo oil filters not have the cooling ring thing on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 evos (and VR-4s) have air cooled oil coolers just like the Starions. Only the RVR turbo (and US/AU VR-4s) seem to have the water cooled oil cooler. If that RWD housing doesn't have two large 18mm ish threaded holes then it's not from a Starion or something turbo. I'm not sure if a Starion one will have the same spacing as the Evo or the N/A RWD one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 this is the RWD Starion Turbo/EX Lancer turbo/RWD Galant turbo oil filter housing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be4ver Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 crap, i thought some starions had them ^^^ and some had the others. thats extra gay cos this one has been on trademe since i brought that other one. 150 seemed a tad pricey at the time tho. the other one was only 50 so i just got it thinking who needs an oil cooler anyway! haha. but is this one likely to mount the same as the one i've got already? it should fit right?and that one i've got now must just be some bung thing off like an l200 or something 4g53? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 L200 4G63 will be the same one you have now.. ie from a RWD Sigma or similar. 4G53 (assume you mean 4G52 or 4G54) don't have oil filter housings because the oil filter mounts straight to the block under the exhaust manifold. You definitely have a Sirius family RWD oil filter housing from a Sigma or L200 etc, but am unsure if the difference is between the N/A housing and the Starion/Turbo housing, or difference between both RWD and Starion/Turbo housing and the later RVR/Evo 7-bolt housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be4ver Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 wow you really know your shit man. yeah i meant 4g54 ha. still unsure where the difference lies tho, surely someones struck this before somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 given that people haven't had issues putting the Starion housing on the VR-4 engines when going RWD, I would say the issue lies with putting the 6-bolt housing (be it RWD Sigma, Starion turbo or VR-4) onto the 7-bolt oil pump housing. The 6-bolt and 7-bolt engines do have a slightly different shape oil pump/front cover under the crank where it meets the sump, and the oil pump gears are different too. Perhaps you will just have to check for clearance to the crossmember using an Evo1-3 oil filter housing or the RVR housing with the water cooled oil cooler removed and tube cut down. Another option I just thought about, why not try using the Evo4+ housing like this one? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-par ... 367605.htm It looks like it points the oil filter straight down much like the Starion one just not on an angle - and given the Evo4+ engines are 7-bolt it's probably the same as Evo1-3/RVR bolt pattern rather than earlier Starion/Sigma/VR-4. I know the seller 'carshark' and can give you his details if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProZac Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 given that people haven't had issues putting the Starion housing on the VR-4 engines when going RWD, I would say the issue lies with putting the 6-bolt housing (be it RWD Sigma, Starion turbo or VR-4) onto the 7-bolt oil pump housing... Quote for truth. Have seen this first hand, and it'll be your problem. An Evo, or similar 7 bolt engine oil filter housing wont work in your situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be4ver Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm thinking that evo7 one on trademe there might be a winner actually. I think I know where I can get my hands on a station one to try on there in the mean time then In theory I'll know what will work and what won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Jason (carshark on trademe) has confirmed that 6-bolt oil filter housing wont fit onto 7 bolt oil pump housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be4ver Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 oh well that sorts that out then doesn't it. cheers man! So any oil filter housing off a 7 bolt engine will fit other 7 bolt engines then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 yeah should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiRtYnIgMa Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just a quick thought you could try a 7 bolt 4g64 rwd one ,2.4 litre. wont have an oilcooler thing on it though. im not sure if the l300 vans with the 4g64 had a 7 bolt in them. but they do exist worth looking into though im going to run an oil relocation kit on mine external filter cooler etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuel Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yeah the 93 onwards 16v ones are 7 bolt. Could look at 96 onwards triton and L400s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblegoose Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 or to simplify and add some bwingbwing remote filter kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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