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  1. It certainly does package nicely that way, if it's got enough travel. Which I'm sure it would. 

    I've not seen this thread pop up for ages, and wow you've been doing some real cool stuff. 

    Look forward to seeing how it all comes together.

  2. 13 hours ago, kpr said:

    Either way i think your just under 2"  or 2"  "pinch point" after the merge sounds about right. 


    Completely off topic to anything and possibly not useful information. (Since when has that ever stopped me)
    I measured the cross sectional area of the collector at a whole lot of points through it.
    image.png.22ffce0af6258923d883bdc6cd4574a5.png
    Then added cross sectional area of other known bits to show a map of whole exhaust.
    The cross sectional area stays exactly the same as the runner until a point where it near instantly blows up to the cross section of all 3 pipes. 
    Then tapers down from there, then flares up again.

    image.thumb.png.bdb085a528713eb86954a9af662bbd17.png


    The point in the collector where there's the big spike upwards, is here.  

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    It seems you cant do much to change how big or quick that spike is, except for by merging more cyls together or vice versa.
    However changing the collector angle changes how quickly it ramps back down to normal cross sectional area. 

    I found a picture of the Alfa 155 DTM engine / it's exhaust manifolds. 
    Doesnt look like anything especially magical going on there. Beefy diameter runners though
    Runner lengths seem fairly long considering it's a 14,000rpm motor. Meaning way longer than that is probably good for mine.

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  3. Yeah i will definitely have the pipes merge before any mufflers etc. Try get the higher pitched sound from it. 

    Im not really sure what length to aim for, for the 3-1s. Can go as long as I like really.

    Current length with no collector was 640mm give or take.

    Ive got heaps of room once im past the steering column. Since theres only 3 exhaust events instead of 4, id expect a longer pipe needed for same tuned length compared to a 4 cyl. Unless the scavenging effect is each runner scavenging itself. In which case the same length.

    That noise from the car above does absolutely nothing for me. Ive never been huge on v6s. 

    Buuutttt throw some doorty intake noises into the mix and its acceptable, even with pooey rpm limit:

    https://youtu.be/1zQAPDmGZrg

    With a few thousand more rpm than that, now were getting somewhere! 

     

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  4. 6 hours ago, BlownCorona said:

    can you not just replace the studs for bolts?
    though looking at your engine mount plan, lifting the motor probably wont be too much of a drama. 

    Yeah ive had it in and out now a bunch of times while trying to make it fit better. Doesnt need to lift up very high. Probably wont need to on the other side where theres no steering column. I can live with that! 

    Ive now got something that has pretty good clearance everywhere. But ive chopped and changed this a million times so its a bit of a mess. 

    So I might redo it with some fresh bits when funds allow. Has been sort of fun and sort of frustrating. My plan to keep all the runners on a flat plane went right out the window. Just not enough space to the strut tower and chassis rail.

    I think i will restart with a different approach. Start at the collector end and work back to the motor.

    These are within 40mm of each other though which is pretty sweet. (So around 5% variation in length) 

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  5. Aircraft people do weird shit with running their engines.
    My understanding is they adjust the mixture to peak EGT then back it off 10% richer (or something like that) 
    Or some other witchcraft sorta stuff depending on if they are wanting best economy or power when running the motor in steady state slogging its guts out.

    So in that case the reaction speed of an EGT sensor isnt an issue - they arent really in closed loop. Just using temps to manually trim the fuel. 
    (At least that's my understanding) 

    So for the purposes of what they're doing, ignition timing is essentially fixed. As the motor is at steady state.

    By contrast the operation of a car engine is absolutely chaotic.
    With rpm changes, ignition changes, fuel changes happening constantly. 
    Which is probably why they're not commonly used for cars.

     

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  6. 8 hours ago, gibbon said:

    I was trying to see if it were feasible to have something akin to wideband feedback, without having an actual wideband sensor, for avgas reasons 

    Out of curiosity, what are you needing to run avgas for? 

     

  7. The problem with monitoring EGT is that it's a function of both lean/rich but also ignition timing. 

    If you reduce ignition timing, the motor runs hotter - as less of the combustion force has been spent in the cylinder, more comes out the exhaust instead (as heat and more noise)

    If you want to run as accurately as possible without closed loop monitoring with a wideband. Then using a MAF as the load source is 100% the way to go. 
    The accuracy of a maf is crazy, through changing conditions without any compensation tables for altitude, temp, etc. (which is why OEM loves them)
    That's as close as you'll get to closed loop for minimal headaches.

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  8. They're PA12 nylon. 

    Ideally would have a radius there, but modelling program was being a dick about it.
    If it starts to crack there I'll lay carbon sleeve over it like my other ones. 

    However, with an e-throttle manifold and vertically oriented throttles. There's actually very little load on these. 
    The throttles being a single piece ties it all together and add strength.

    Where as with a cable pull manifold you have to make them really strong, to resist cable force from pedal.
    Especially like 4AGE throttles where each individual throttle wants to move relative to the next. Each one tries to twist away from the others. 
     

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  9. I think they use the exact same shitty manifolds and gaskets on the rwd 4GR, 3GR, 2GR. 

    Picture 1 of 6

    So its just massively oversized for 4GR valves and ports. 
    Just absolutely zero effort haha to make it suit the motor haha. 

    So might be some easy gains. Like the echo though, I think the higher the compression ratio the more tolerant it is of a crappy exhaust.

    I looked at making ports a bit larger, but they seem reasonably decent given the valve size. 

    I'm trying to get all of the basics together first, so it's running. Then that's when the fun part will begin, where I can buy a second motor and try some different porting ideas, try cut down the big divider between intake ports, stuff like that.

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