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Its actually made it off the dyno and onto the road. amazing
I stole @Roman clutch sensor idea. spans 0-5v over clutch range. so can pick engagement point in ecu software, rather than mucking around trying trying to adjust a switch to right spot.
So yeah set up launch control. On my shitty old concrete tyres i use on the dyno,would only take 2200rpm launch. then would cut loose again a 5k.
I set up an ignition retard map, based on time after the lauch control switched off, so will pull timing and come on power less aggressive in 1st gear. then back to full timing by the time hit 2nd, which worked ok but pretty weak sauce acceleration>Found some slightly softer springs and did some shock adjustments which helped a little bit. but still ended it tyre fire
Before swapping to some slightly better condition 195/45 14's. thought would try some other junk got hanging aroundEnter the 185/55 15 linglings
first attempt = tyre fire. but after zinging the crust off them and running them at 15psi. got it to hook up at 3800rpm and able to get rid of the timing retard map. aint no drag car but seems to take off fairly decent for what it is
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Had bit of a setback with making the new vvti parts for this engine. So have shelved it for a bit, as wanting to get this thing to the os drags.
soo put the big cams back in. Tried the big toda 320deg in the intake and the 318deg kelford in the exhaust. it didn't like. no more peak, just lost everywhere else. almost zero usable cam timing adjustment, due to piston to valve clearance. only did a few pulls then swapped the HVC 318/304 set back in.
Its real sensitive to small changes with 318/304, both cam timing and intake lengths.
Tired a bunch of different intake lengths and cam timing, to attempt to put a peak on the top of the graph, rather than it flat lining. usually can shuffle the intake tuning to where it wants to make peak power, so will make even more. Didn't really want to have it, would result in a dip just before it flat lined or make it fall off earlier. Almost like its running out of airflow. but the Atlantic engine does the same thing. maybe long rpd bottom end will help.
Ended up with intake length only 10mm shorter than what i normally run.Little bit of a compromise here and there but overall happy with the numbers and shape of graph. I can pull the dip out at 5500rpm to a point, advancing the inlet, but it loses power up top and piston to valve is pretty spicy. around the 160kw mark for 1500rpm is pretty good.
was spitting out over 160kw constantly on "normal day" (corrected and uncorrected numbers the same) with air filter setup on.
vs stockish engine for a laugh. rpm scale bit off
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yeh pretty interesting how its pretty much bang on the same, then exact point where is a restriction.
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Edit; ol mate dave quicker on the trigger in the graph game
found some stuff
turd engine 100% vs 70% 52mm throttles
a 20v i tuned awhile 100% vs 70% 45mm throttles
good engine from sometime ago. 100% 70% 20% !
Im just going by the notes i wrote in the run. plus i dunno how good i was holding the throttle bang on those numbers
couldn't find any closer to 100% but i recall doing it in the past on 45's or 47's, to see what it would do and was still a small loss at 95%Also the fuel and timing probably a little different. but looking like a pretty solid no. just hold it tapped
one other thing thats interesting the good engine still makes the same power as the turd at 70% throttle with same throttles.
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I often do runs around the 70% mark when tuning itb stuff. if i recall correct, once have a few rpm on the engine, usually just makes the same power till throttle plate becomes a restriction. I'll see if i can find some runs on the dyno.
there might be something in it, at low rpm where you should probably just change down a gear. can be a vast difference in the fueling between high and low load at low rpm, on an engine with aggressive cams. throttle plate tends to "filter" out the big peaks and dips down there.
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race car noises
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Just had something super cool on the dyno, well if your a 4age foamer at least
Yep an actual formula atlantic 4age. in a formula atlantic car where it should be. not just some guy with atlantic covers bolted to a stock bluetop
engine originally built by and made 254hp (189kw) on loynings usa engine dyno. The car even had the original efi setup and ecu from late 80's !uncorrected numbers again; 170kw. so showing about 10-11% drive line loss, compared to engine dyno numbers. seems about right.
This is it overlayed onto the kp's dyno graph, with the HVC cams, same run as the green in previous post. only 4-5kw off the peak and 20kw more at 5k, not bad!
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keen, if can make it work fitment wise
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Yes i need to redeem myself and all 4age's for that matter, after @Roman beat my NA pb .01 seconds or something silly
blue jelly bean time: 13.49 @ 99.5mph and 2.09 60ft.
Its great grand fathers time:wow 2018, didn't realize it was that long ago. Should have another 15kw or so than what was running on that pass.
As for the gearbox, It seems to be working good now, with the new parts and angle grinder machine work. but yeah would probably go j160 for the next move if had to. rather stick with the t50 though. lighter and dont have to mess around with new clutch combo, driveshaft and making it fit in the tunnel.
Engine uses rpm to make the power, so doesn't make gearbox breaking torque. but im still hesitant to put a lot of grip into it, to get it down the 1/4 mile quicker.- 5
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Should hopefully make it this year!
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Tried shortening the intake a touch. 20mm to be exact, it did some stuff and made a little more peak power as expected. It also liked about 5degrees intake advance without losing peak power, which bumped up the midrange a bit.
probably would make a little bit more peak if made some other changes. but would start hurting the low end / midrange even more. so im calling it here for the dick swinging number. 166kw uncorrected.green is after the runner length and cam timing change
I actually took it off the dyno and took it for a spin down the road after this. feels like a weapon in the top end and actually changes gears now!
Have also been testing a few cam combo's to run with vvti. as the 318 degree HVC intake cam is a little big to be swinging around, due to piston to valve clearance. and the fact that it only works in a smallish window. with duration being so long.
green line as above with the hvc cams
red is running the new smaller cam combo through a few cam timing settings, to simulate what vvti will do.
only down 3kw up top and nicely fills the hole at 4500. along with a bit through the midrange and still holding power till almost 10k. seems like the winner to me.- 27
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doesn't matter so much on inline 6 cylinder or 4 cylinder for that matter (unless oddball setup) . long as crank itself is balanced, and all the pistons and rods are the same weight as each other. which is easy enough to do yourself.
aftermarket pistons should be pretty much bang on. but worth weighing them anyway. along with the pin and ring set going on them. mix and match pins/ pistons. zing a bit off pistons if needed
factory toyota rods, at least all the 4age one ive weighed can be a bit off. i would assume jz would be no different. so probably worth doing more so than the pistons. you can end weight them. or at least make them weigh the same if cant be assed making a jig.
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still got awhile to go before make those numbers uce
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should be about 12.6:1 . but have never measured super accurate.
Its running 11.3:1 pistons, with head skim and thin gasket to up compression and tighten squish. not a fan of the pointy dome pistons available for them.
it'll make those numbers on 95 pump gas. because "street car"
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Put some 193hvc kelfold cams in it. 318/304 deg 11mm/10.1mm lift. bit of a sack down low and not going to work with my plan. but good to see theres a bit left in it!
i may have a little play with intake runner lengths to push the tuning up to 9k. see what it will do, before move onto next cam comboThats 161.9kw if you cant see it..
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Yeah the bit your after is part of the oil pump. They usually stuck in there pretty good, not something that would just come out. hole maybe flogged out and may need to look into other options, if just falls out. rather than the factory part
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If it were some kind of issue with the injector coil like you suspect. that could do all sorts of silly stuff with the dwell time. so no, or next to no fuel could have been coming out on idle.
what was wrong with the xpurt injectors? Thought about running unmodified bosch injectors?
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Run it up on dyno today, changes gears revving to 9700pm so looks like gearbox issue is fixed
The new old engine has gained a touch of power (different headers). was laying down 152kw pretty consistently when tuning and playing with cam timing. was doing the runs at 90degs oil temp so could keep things consistent when setting cam timing. Then done a run with bit more heat in the oil, as they spit out a bit more power. 155kw with 100c oil
green line is good engine. blue is the turd with vvti. red is a kinda stock engine with my good headers and exhaust.
I ran though a few cam timing settings, to see what it would do with vvti (the above graph is done at 5deg inlet advance) Holding 150kw+ for 2000rpm will be amazing
video of same thing
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depends where the ecu is feed from also, quite common to get volt drop if wiring not up to it. likely find if measure at alternator, will be holding stable
I'll try disconnect alternator next time have something on dyno
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Good engine back in and running, think it has a little intake leak. but other than that all seems well so far, after sitting almost 2 years.
Have only pushed it back onto dyno rollers and ran it through the gears. which seems good so far also. clutch feels pretty much the same, nana as. can take off in 3rd on dyno.Next need to set the cam timing (was using cam gears on turd, soo all screwed up) on dyno and probably do a little tuning. I haven't had current headers on this engine. they were good for a touch more power over the other ones on the turd. unsure what they will do on this engine.
Then can see if the gearbox wants to play the game.
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^ That's because it was a 16v back then. 20v not enough jam to break current one
Will see how it goes. no big drama to swap to something else. was just the easiest and cheapest way to pull weight out of it.
almost pulled trigger on one of these,but cheaped out. has sprung center single plate
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^ this
Probably not ideal. But if it changes gears, not worried if it doesn't last very long. considering the amount of use the car gets
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New clutch plate showed up. actually fits. feels decent amount lighter, so should help the cause. Will have to go to a whole new flywheel and clutch combo to trim anymore weight out here
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Turd engine is out
Would have liked to run the vvti setup for awhile longer on this engine to prove reliability. But gearbox issues and time to keep things moving
Gearbox issues being; it wont change gears at high rpm. which is rather annoying when engine pulls 10k, but can only rev it to 7 if want to grab another gear.
Decided to throw some new parts in the t50 to attempt to make it better.
Some parts are no longer available. but managed to get syncro's and selector sleeves and a few bearings.
One of the parts no longer available is this bit, the dogs that sit on side of the gear. also happens to be pretty tired on most gears. I managed to pinch one out of my pile of parts, that was slightly better for 3rd gear. The other ones from my parts box (t40) were different design and were welded to the gears. so no go
Angle grinder to the rescue. No idea how well its going to work, and probably should have set it up in lathe so angles were bang on. but cant be any worse than being blended like above. gave both 2nd and 4th bit of a zing like this.
All back together. much easier to work on than a w box
Also got one of these on the way. kinda winging it and hoping it will fit with stock style flywheel and pressure plate. as its from a orc clutch/flywheel combo.
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will handle that power fine, long as tune is good. Doubt you'll make it there supercharged. turbo, easy with a nice setup.